Re: [siteplan] Re: [Fwd: Re: Used water heaters]

Sounds good. These are in addition to the settling tank, which would  
also need to be heated, albiet at a much lower temperature, correct?

On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:56 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Friends,
>
> The water heaters are to heat oil for the processors.  This was  
> part of the plan before the in-line heater was repaired.
>
> Water heaters have elements and thermostats.  Fill the water heater  
> with oil and set the stat to 160.  when the oil is hot, drain the  
> water and pump into the reactor.  Each reactor will have a 50  
> gallon water heater to feed it.
>
> The water heaters can be filled and turned on the day before  
> processing to have hot oil ready to go at processing time - this is  
> why Seth would spend Thursday nights on-site: so oil was ready to  
> use on Friday and the same on Sat.  They will also heat the next  
> batch of oil while the current batch is processing - we need to  
> find the right 240V elements ~(2000W) to heat oil in the shortest  
> period of time without overheating the element.  I have created a  
> spreadsheet that gives the time to heat a batch of oil.
>
> Water heaters are insulated - they heat faster and therefore  
> require less power than heating in the processors.  They will hold  
> hot oil overnight and keep it hot without a lot of power.
>
> Water heater thermostats are NOT class 1, Div 1, so they are fine  
> in the CONEX after the processors are moved out and the big power  
> is installed.
>
> Sounds like I should be writing a "State of the Siteplan/Processor  
> Upgrade" report so everyone can see where we are.... maybe next  
> week when I am in Enterprise.
>
> Felix
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
> That's what I was thinking. Just keep it "hands" warm so facilitate  
> hose flow and speed up time heating up in the reactor. Plus, it  
> will aid in settling if it's warm but not to hot, shaken but not  
> stirred.
>
> So what are all the water heaters for?
>
> On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:25 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Zac and all,
>> ?
>> The "big metal tank" aka the used oil receptacle may be heated in  
>> the winter time to keep the oil flowing.? It would be impractical  
>> to heat and keep heating all that oil to 130/160°.? I was  
>> thinking that we would keep the "big metal tank" and about 300  
>> gallons of oil at about 70 just so we could pump it in cold weather.?
>> ?
>> Aloha from Idaho,
>> ?
>> Felix
>> ?
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
>> Felix,
>>
>> I'm still fuzzy on the oil preheating requirements and vessel.  
>> Were we not going to use the big metal tank to consolidate oil and  
>> keep it heated? Details would be great.
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Felix Kersting wrote:
>>
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> I made contact with one of the NW largest plumbing and industrial  
>>> piping wholesalers today.? The name is Ferguson Supply, formerly  
>>> Familian NW.?
>>> Sparing the details (unusual for me!) they will be watching for  
>>> used electric? water heaters for us.? They will email or call me  
>>> and I will pick up as they come in.? I specified only non- 
>>> leakers, and they seemed happy to comply, on the understanding  
>>> that they don't come in very often.? Since Ferguson probably  
>>> moves 100+ water heaters a week, I am hoping we can score one a  
>>> month for the next couple months to get us rolling on our our  
>>> goal of being able to preheat 150 gallons of oil and 50 gallons  
>>> of wash water.? We might even stockpile a few in case we do find  
>>> a leaker or 2.
>>>
>>> Nice when the scrounged material comes to you!
>>>
>>> Best to all,
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> From: "Felix Kersting" <felixk-EQsIyYdBtA3qlBn2x/[email protected]>
>>> Date: November 27, 2006 4:11:47 PM PST
>>> To: <Alan.Murashige-KWgbZ2uOPaxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>>> Cc: "Felix Kersting" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: RE: Used water heaters
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> We have no particular requirements, we can rewire to whatever we  
>>> need.? Typically we need to replace the elements with medium  
>>> wattage-density since oil has a lower heat capacity than water ?  
>>> that way we don?t blow out elements.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Felix J. Kersting PE
>>>
>>> Energy Engineer
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> McKinstry Essention
>>>
>>> Phone: 503-262-2304
>>> Cell: 503-969-5996
>>> Fax: 206-832-8691
>>> http://www.mckinstry.com
>>> "For the Life of Your Building"
>>>
>>> From: Alan.Murashige-KWgbZ2uOPaxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]  
>>> [mailto:Alan.Murashige-KWgbZ2uOPaxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:49 PM
>>> To: Felix Kersting
>>> Subject: RE: Used water heaters
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Hi Felix,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Is there any particular Input Wattage / Voltage requirements ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I?ll keep an eye out for the non-leakers.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Al Murashige
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Commercial Water Heater Manager
>>>
>>> <image001.gif>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Portland, Or.
>>>
>>> Tel: 503-283-3333
>>>
>>> Fax: 503-283-3350
>>>
>>> Cell: 971-563-4085
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> From: Felix Kersting [mailto:felixk-EQsIyYdBtA3qlBn2x/[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:14 PM
>>> To: Alan Murashige - 3001 PORTLAND
>>> Cc: Felix Kersting
>>> Subject: Used water heaters
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking my call.? I am a member of the GoBiodiesel  
>>> Coop.? We utilize used electric water heaters to heat waste oil  
>>> for processing into biodiesel.? We are currently not a non- 
>>> profit, but are working toward that status.?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I am looking for used non-leaking electric water heaters ?  
>>> anything between 50 and 120 gallons (hopefully free).? I would be  
>>> happy to pick them up.? I could use 3 or 4 and am not in a  
>>> particular hurry.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Please feel free to contact me by email or call my cell phone if  
>>> and when anything becomes available, I will arrange to pick up ASAP.
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your willingness to help,
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Felix J. Kersting PE
>>>
>>> Energy Engineer
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> McKinstry Essention
>>>
>>> Phone: 503-262-2304
>>> Cell: 503-969-5996
>>> Fax: 206-832-8691
>>> http://www.mckinstry.com
>>> "For the Life of Your Building"
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
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>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> Zac Imboden
>> [email protected]
>> 1534 SE 35th Place
>> Portland, OR
>> 97214
>> 971-563-2477
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
>> Date: November 28, 2006 10:57:13 AM PST
>> To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <[email protected]>
>> Cc: siteplan <[email protected]>,  
>> [email protected]
>> Subject: [siteplan] Re: [mixmasters] [Fwd: Re: Used water heaters]
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> Zac Imboden
> [email protected]
> 1534 SE 35th Place
> Portland, OR
> 97214
> 971-563-2477
>
>
>

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[email protected]
1534 SE 35th Place
Portland, OR
97214
971-563-2477

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