Settling tank

I don't believe the settling tank needs to be heated, just insulated.

Felix

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>    1. Re: [siteplan] Re: [mixmasters] [Fwd: Re: Used water heaters]
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> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:48:17 -0800
> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [siteplan] Re: [mixmasters] [Fwd: Re: Used water heaters]
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> Sounds good. These are in addition to the settling tank, which would  
> also need to be heated, albiet at a much lower temperature, correct?
>
> On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:56 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>   
>> Friends,
>>
>> The water heaters are to heat oil for the processors.  This was  
>> part of the plan before the in-line heater was repaired.
>>
>> Water heaters have elements and thermostats.  Fill the water heater  
>> with oil and set the stat to 160.  when the oil is hot, drain the  
>> water and pump into the reactor.  Each reactor will have a 50  
>> gallon water heater to feed it.
>>
>> The water heaters can be filled and turned on the day before  
>> processing to have hot oil ready to go at processing time - this is  
>> why Seth would spend Thursday nights on-site: so oil was ready to  
>> use on Friday and the same on Sat.  They will also heat the next  
>> batch of oil while the current batch is processing - we need to  
>> find the right 240V elements ~(2000W) to heat oil in the shortest  
>> period of time without overheating the element.  I have created a  
>> spreadsheet that gives the time to heat a batch of oil.
>>
>> Water heaters are insulated - they heat faster and therefore  
>> require less power than heating in the processors.  They will hold  
>> hot oil overnight and keep it hot without a lot of power.
>>
>> Water heater thermostats are NOT class 1, Div 1, so they are fine  
>> in the CONEX after the processors are moved out and the big power  
>> is installed.
>>
>> Sounds like I should be writing a "State of the Siteplan/Processor  
>> Upgrade" report so everyone can see where we are.... maybe next  
>> week when I am in Enterprise.
>>
>> Felix
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
>> That's what I was thinking. Just keep it "hands" warm so facilitate  
>> hose flow and speed up time heating up in the reactor. Plus, it  
>> will aid in settling if it's warm but not to hot, shaken but not  
>> stirred.
>>
>> So what are all the water heaters for?
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:25 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Zac and all,
>>> ?
>>> The "big metal tank" aka the used oil receptacle may be heated in  
>>> the winter time to keep the oil flowing.? It would be impractical  
>>> to heat and keep heating all that oil to 130/160°.? I was  
>>> thinking that we would keep the "big metal tank" and about 300  
>>> gallons of oil at about 70 just so we could pump it in cold weather.?
>>> ?
>>> Aloha from Idaho,
>>> ?
>>> Felix
>>> ?
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
>>> Felix,
>>>
>>> I'm still fuzzy on the oil preheating requirements and vessel.  
>>> Were we not going to use the big metal tank to consolidate oil and  
>>> keep it heated? Details would be great.
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Felix Kersting wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Friends,
>>>>
>>>> I made contact with one of the NW largest plumbing and industrial  
>>>> piping wholesalers today.? The name is Ferguson Supply, formerly  
>>>> Familian NW.?
>>>> Sparing the details (unusual for me!) they will be watching for  
>>>> used electric? water heaters for us.? They will email or call me  
>>>> and I will pick up as they come in.? I specified only non- 
>>>> leakers, and they seemed happy to comply, on the understanding  
>>>> that they don't come in very often.? Since Ferguson probably  
>>>> moves 100+ water heaters a week, I am hoping we can score one a  
>>>> month for the next couple months to get us rolling on our our  
>>>> goal of being able to preheat 150 gallons of oil and 50 gallons  
>>>> of wash water.? We might even stockpile a few in case we do find  
>>>> a leaker or 2.
>>>>
>>>> Nice when the scrounged material comes to you!
>>>>
>>>> Best to all,
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
>>>> From: "Felix Kersting" <felixk-EQsIyYdBtA3qlBn2x/[email protected]>
>>>> Date: November 27, 2006 4:11:47 PM PST
>>>> To: <Alan.Murashige-KWgbZ2uOPaxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>>>> Cc: "Felix Kersting" <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: RE: Used water heaters
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan,
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> We have no particular requirements, we can rewire to whatever we  
>>>> need.? Typically we need to replace the elements with medium  
>>>> wattage-density since oil has a lower heat capacity than water ?  
>>>> that way we don?t blow out elements.
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Felix J. Kersting PE
>>>>
>>>> Energy Engineer
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> McKinstry Essention
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 503-262-2304
>>>> Cell: 503-969-5996
>>>> Fax: 206-832-8691
>>>> http://www.mckinstry.com
>>>> "For the Life of Your Building"
>>>>
>>>> From: Alan.Murashige-KWgbZ2uOPaxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]  
>>>> [mailto:Alan.Murashige-KWgbZ2uOPaxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:49 PM
>>>> To: Felix Kersting
>>>> Subject: RE: Used water heaters
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Felix,
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Is there any particular Input Wattage / Voltage requirements ?
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> I?ll keep an eye out for the non-leakers.
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Al Murashige
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Commercial Water Heater Manager
>>>>
>>>> <image001.gif>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Portland, Or.
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 503-283-3333
>>>>
>>>> Fax: 503-283-3350
>>>>
>>>> Cell: 971-563-4085
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> From: Felix Kersting [mailto:felixk-EQsIyYdBtA3qlBn2x/[email protected]]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:14 PM
>>>> To: Alan Murashige - 3001 PORTLAND
>>>> Cc: Felix Kersting
>>>> Subject: Used water heaters
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Alan,
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for taking my call.? I am a member of the GoBiodiesel  
>>>> Coop.? We utilize used electric water heaters to heat waste oil  
>>>> for processing into biodiesel.? We are currently not a non- 
>>>> profit, but are working toward that status.?
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for used non-leaking electric water heaters ?  
>>>> anything between 50 and 120 gallons (hopefully free).? I would be  
>>>> happy to pick them up.? I could use 3 or 4 and am not in a  
>>>> particular hurry.
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to contact me by email or call my cell phone if  
>>>> and when anything becomes available, I will arrange to pick up ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for your willingness to help,
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Felix J. Kersting PE
>>>>
>>>> Energy Engineer
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> McKinstry Essention
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 503-262-2304
>>>> Cell: 503-969-5996
>>>> Fax: 206-832-8691
>>>> http://www.mckinstry.com
>>>> "For the Life of Your Building"
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
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>>> Zac Imboden
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>>> 1534 SE 35th Place
>>> Portland, OR
>>> 97214
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Zac Imboden <[email protected]>
>>> Date: November 28, 2006 10:57:13 AM PST
>>> To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: siteplan <[email protected]>,  
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>>> Subject: [siteplan] Re: [mixmasters] [Fwd: Re: Used water heaters]
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>> Zac Imboden
>> [email protected]
>> 1534 SE 35th Place
>> Portland, OR
>> 97214
>> 971-563-2477
>>
>>
>>
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> Portland, OR
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