Re: RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 41, Issue 7
Zac Imboden <[email protected]> Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:07:32 -0700
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--===============1268879806== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-842022655 --Apple-Mail-2-842022655 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed That's crazy. I'm sorry Jeff. There is no reason for the cap to be off the fuel tote. We haven't added fuel for many weeks. For those washing fuel (and reading this email) please be doubly sure if you remove a wash tote cap, you put it back on again. Yes, the fuel in back of the conex labelled failed test is unwashed fuel. What is your dry wash process? I'm assuming it doesn't involve magnesol. :-) On Jul 24, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Jeff Brandt wrote: > We picked that barrel up and transferred it to another container > and had just a little bit over 55 gallons perhaps a gallon more? > > Just to keep tabs ... > > I grabbed 37 gallons of failed 3/27 from from the distribution tote > for testing. > > 22 gallons for my 95 E300D > 5 gallons for a 99 E300DT > 10 gallons for our 86 F250 > > Then we came out to pickup the remainder of that fuel in the 55 > gallon drum. When we arrived I was excited to get a sample of the > fuel that was currently in the distribution tote. We grabbed 5 > gallons to put in the truck and noticed ... that it didn't look > right and then observed that someone left the cap off of the tote > after transferring the fuel. I'm not sure how long the cap was off, > but it was raining when we arrived and the fuel didn't look nearly > as stellar as the fuel still in the hose going to the tote. > > I hadn't noticed this until I first looked into the pale to see the > last of it siphon into the truck. The truck does have a good water > seperator though. I grabbed another 5 gallons to see if we could > dry it out and get the clarity back. > > We heated the 5 gallons and cooled it to room temperature and it > seemed to look pretty good. Dave put it in his wagon and drove off > to Washington ... lets hope he made it ;) > > We also pumped 225 gallons out the of the tote in the back marked > "failed 3/27". We want to test a dry wash setup we have here, there > was a considerable amount of glycerol fall out in the bottom with > other assorted crud. Was this fuel ever washed? I'm guessing no. > > We also picked up the 55+ gallons of washed failed 3/27 in that > barrel. > > So our current tab works out to ... > > 37 gallons washed failed 3/27 > 10 gallons washed passed 3/27, but very wet > 55+ gallons washed failed 3/27 > > As for the 225 gallons from the tote in back, we were planning on > bringing it back in case our setup doesn't work. However if no one > minds, we would would like to keep it. > > Let me know..... > > -- > Jeff Brandt > Sun Break Biofuels, LLC > mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > > On 7/19/07, Gary Nepple <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > > Approximately how much went from the distribution tote into the > barrel for Jeff to pick up? > > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org [mailto: mixmasters- > [email protected]]On Behalf Of Bill Dodds > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [mixmasters] RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 41, Issue 7 > > > > Zac, > Tom T. and I emptied the distribution tote into a clean 'black' 55 > Gal barrel located next to the conex and the distribution tote. > Marked with a Rob Bradding sticker. (That stuff is the batch you > said was not processed completely) > > Next time sun brake fuel comes they should take it with them, if > thats your agreement? They must have delivered some more processed > fuel, so theirs plenty to do. > > > Next we refilled the Distribution tote with 110 gals of clean good > fuel. I PH'ed it and did the heat test with good resuilts on this > batch. > > we started to wash the batch in the washer and it still needs > another wash. Thats the way we left it. If someone wants to go > down this saturday, they could finish that batch and dry it. > > Cat needs food! Bill Dodds > > From: mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: mixmasters Digest, Vol 41, Issue 7 > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:15:10 -0700 (PDT) > >Send mixmasters mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > mixmasters-request-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > mixmasters-owner-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of mixmasters digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Washed Fuel ... (Jeff Brandt) > > 2. Re: Washed Fuel ... (Zac Imboden) > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:13:25 -0700 > >From: "Jeff Brandt" < jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> > >Subject: [mixmasters] Washed Fuel ... > >To: "GoBiodiesel Mixmasters" < [email protected]> > >Message-ID: > > <148f83260707161213i6e07af02s52d9bb208decd018-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >We will be attending Solwest at the end of this month and we will be > >donating some fuel for their silent auction. > > > >I have committed to donating 35 gallons of Sun Break 100 ... > > > >When would I be able to get 35 gallons of washed and dried fuel > from the co-op? > > > >We also have 550 gallons to deliver to the co-op site. You might want > >to keep these barrels separate as this fuel has received the pre-wash > >treatment that you requested. I'm very curious to see if this > improves > >your wash times. The downside to the pre-wash seems to be the > glycerol > >separation time. Previously the glycerol would completely fall out in > >a couple of hours with 12 hours being overkill. After the pre-wash > >treatment it has been taking almost 24 hours to get a clean > >separation. > > > >I thought people also might want to know what the current totals > are ... > > > >Batch #1, 267 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil > >Batch #2, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil > >Batch #3, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil > >Batch #4, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, co-op oil > >Batch #5, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, co-op oil > >Batch #6, 275 gallons, 5.0g base, co-op oil > >Batch #7, ??? gallons, problem batch, set aside for later, co-op oil > >Batch #8, 270 gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil > >Batch #9, 265 gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil > > > >You will notice that batches #2 through #6 all have 275 gallons which > >shouldn't be possible. The yield was close to 265-268 gallons however > >we have recovered alot of biodiesel from our glycerol barrels and > >topped off the partial barrel to fully utilize our trip to the co-op. > > > >We have used 9 barrels of methanol, 146 lbs of lye and 576 kWh's > of electricity. > > > >The co-op has supplied 2 barrels of methanol. > > > >At some point Sun Break Biofuels needs to collect 800+ gallons of > >washed biodiesel, although I'm a patient person and believe the co-op > >members deserve first right. > > > >We have successfully processed around 2200 gallons of biodiesel. > About > >1400 gallons for the co-op and another 800 gallons for Sun Break. > >There was another batch that didn't work out so well, but we will fix > >that at a later date. > > > >Processing costs should work out well since Sun Break will owe the > >co-op approx $400 for fuel washing services, plus our membership fee > >will be subtracted and in addition the total overhead was reduced > >since the co-op provided 2 out of the 5 barrels of methanol we used > >for processing. > > > > > >-- > >Jeff Brandt > >Sun Break Biofuels, LLC > >mailto: jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:05:17 -0600 > >From: Zac Imboden < [email protected]> > >Subject: Re: [mixmasters] Washed Fuel ... > >To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters < [email protected]> > >Message-ID: <CD680CCC-5B34-4252-B778-CD917E51385A-aZ6PXv3Ip8kQwY+2splSUA@public.gmane.org > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > >Jeff, > > > >Thanks for the updates. We are having a training meeting tonight and > >expect a large turn-out. We will certainly have more than 35 gallons > >washed and dried by the end of this month, however, I'm not sure what > >the quality will be. Do you want fuel if it doesn't pass 3/27? > > > >We need to start tagging the barrels with batch #s anyway, so we can > >track them. So we can tag the new barrels with "prewash". > > > >Maybe I'll give you a call. > > > > > >On Jul 16, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Jeff Brandt wrote: > > > > > We will be attending Solwest at the end of this month and we > will be > > > donating some fuel for their silent auction. > > > > > > I have committed to donating 35 gallons of Sun Break 100 ... > > > > > > When would I be able to get 35 gallons of washed and dried fuel > > > from the co-op? > > > > > > We also have 550 gallons to deliver to the co-op site. You > might want > > > to keep these barrels separate as this fuel has received the > pre-wash > > > treatment that you requested. I'm very curious to see if this > improves > > > your wash times. The downside to the pre-wash seems to be the > glycerol > > > separation time. Previously the glycerol would completely fall > out in > > > a couple of hours with 12 hours being overkill. After the pre-wash > > > treatment it has been taking almost 24 hours to get a clean > > > separation. > > > > > > I thought people also might want to know what the current totals > > > are ... > > > > > > Batch #1, 267 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil > > > Batch #2, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil > > > Batch #3, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil > > > Batch #4, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, co-op oil > > > Batch #5, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, co-op oil > > > Batch #6, 275 gallons, 5.0g base, co-op oil > > > Batch #7, ??? gallons, problem batch, set aside for later, co- > op oil > > > Batch #8, 270 gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil > > > Batch #9, 265 gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil > > > > > > You will notice that batches #2 through #6 all have 275 gallons > which > > > shouldn't be possible. The yield was close to 265-268 gallons > however > > > we have recovered alot of biodiesel from our glycerol barrels and > > > topped off the partial barrel to fully utilize our trip to the > co-op. > > > > > > We have used 9 barrels of methanol, 146 lbs of lye and 576 > kWh's of > > > electricity. > > > > > > The co-op has supplied 2 barrels of methanol. > > > > > > At some point Sun Break Biofuels needs to collect 800+ gallons of > > > washed biodiesel, although I'm a patient person and believe the > co-op > > > members deserve first right. > > > > > > We have successfully processed around 2200 gallons of > biodiesel. About > > > 1400 gallons for the co-op and another 800 gallons for Sun Break. > > > There was another batch that didn't work out so well, but we > will fix > > > that at a later date. > > > > > > Processing costs should work out well since Sun Break will owe the > > > co-op approx $400 for fuel washing services, plus our > membership fee > > > will be subtracted and in addition the total overhead was reduced > > > since the co-op provided 2 out of the 5 barrels of methanol we > used > > > for processing. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Brandt > > > Sun Break Biofuels, LLC > > > mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > mixmasters mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >Zac Imboden > > [email protected] > >6355 North Burrage Ave > >Portland, OR > >97217 > >971-563-2477 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >mixmasters mailing list > >[email protected] > > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters > > > >End of mixmasters Digest, Vol 41, Issue 7 > >***************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mixmasters mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters > > _______________________________________________ > mixmasters mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters -------------------------------------------------------------- Zac Imboden [email protected] 6355 North Burrage Ave Portland, OR 97217 971-563-2477 --Apple-Mail-2-842022655 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">That's crazy. I'm sorry Jeff. = There is no reason for the cap to be off the fuel tote. We haven't added = fuel for many weeks. For those washing fuel (and reading this email) = please be doubly sure if you remove a wash tote cap, you put it back on = again.<DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Yes, the = fuel in back of the conex labelled failed test is unwashed = fuel.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What is = your dry wash process? I'm assuming it doesn't involve magnesol. = :-)</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"><DIV><DIV><DIV>On Jul 24, 2007, at = 1:24 AM, Jeff Brandt wrote:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV>We = picked that barrel up and transferred it to another container and had = just a little bit over 55 gallons perhaps a gallon more?</DIV> = <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>Just to keep tabs ...</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>I = grabbed 37 gallons of failed 3/27 from from the distribution tote for = testing.</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>22 gallons for my 95 E300D</DIV> = <DIV>=A0 5 gallons for a 99 E300DT</DIV> <DIV>10 gallons for our 86 = F250</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>Then we came out to pickup the remainder = of that fuel in the 55 gallon drum. When we arrived I=A0was excited to = get a sample of the fuel that was currently in the distribution tote. We = grabbed 5 gallons to put in the truck and noticed ... that it didn't = look right and then observed that someone left the cap off of the tote = after transferring the fuel. I'm not sure how long the cap was off, but = it was raining when we arrived and the fuel didn't look nearly as = stellar as the fuel still in the hose going to the tote. </DIV> = <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>I hadn't noticed this until I first looked into the = pale to see the last of it siphon into the truck. The truck does have a = good water seperator though. I grabbed another 5 gallons to see if we = could dry it out and get the clarity back. </DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>We = heated the 5 gallons and cooled it to room temperature and it seemed to = look pretty good. Dave put it in his wagon and drove off to=A0Washington = ... lets hope he made it ;)</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>We also pumped 225 = gallons=A0out the of the tote in the back marked "failed 3/27". We want = to test a=A0dry wash setup we=A0have here, there was a considerable = amount of glycerol fall out in the bottom with=A0other=A0assorted=A0crud. = Was this fuel ever washed?=A0I'm guessing no. </DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> = <DIV>We also picked up the 55+ gallons of washed failed 3/27 in that = barrel.</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>So our current tab works out to = ...</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>37 gallons washed failed 3/27</DIV> = <DIV>10 gallons washed passed 3/27, but very wet</DIV> <DIV>55+ gallons = washed failed 3/27</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>As for the 225 gallons from = the tote in back, we were planning on bringing it back in case our setup = doesn't work. However if no one minds, we would would like to keep = it.</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> <DIV>Let me know.....</DIV> <DIV>=A0</DIV> = <DIV>--</DIV> <DIV>Jeff Brandt</DIV> <DIV>Sun Break Biofuels, LLC</DIV> = <DIV><A = href=3D"mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org">mailto:[email protected]= om</A><BR><BR>=A0</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D"gmail_quote">On 7/19/07, <B = class=3D"gmail_sendername">Gary Nepple</B> <<A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</A>> wrote: </SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV lang=3D"EN-US"> = <DIV><P><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Bill,</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Arial" = color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">=A0</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Arial" = color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Approximately how much went from the distribution tote into the = barrel for Jeff to pick = up?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><SPAN><DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Arial" = color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">=A0</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Arial" = color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Gary</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><DIV><SPAN><FONT face=3D"Arial" = color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">=A0</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></SPAN><P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: = 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" color=3D"black" size=3D"2"><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"><SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:= bold">From: </SPAN> </B><A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org" = target=3D"_blank">mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</A> [mailto:<A = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blank"> = mixmasters-bounces-qjLDD68F18PzqnJmKJVjZEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org</A>]<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bill Dodds<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:= bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:18 PM<BR><B><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"> To:</SPAN></B> <A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</A><BR></SPAN> = <DIV><SPAN><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> = [mixmasters] RE: mixmasters Digest, Vol 41, Issue = 7</SPAN></DIV></SPAN></FONT> </P><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV><SPAN><DIV = style=3D"margin-left: 0.5in; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" = size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">=A0</SPAN></FONT><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: = 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black" size=3D"3"><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Zac,<BR>Tom T. and I emptied the = distribution tote into a clean 'black' 55 Gal barrel located next to the = conex and the distribution tote.=A0=A0=A0 Marked with=A0a Rob Bradding = sticker.=A0(That stuff is the batch you said was not processed = completely) </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D"black"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: = black"></SPAN></FONT></P><P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black" size=3D"3"><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Next time sun brake fuel comes = they should take it with them, if thats your agreement?=A0 They must = have delivered some more processed fuel, so theirs plenty to do. <BR>=A0=A0= </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D"black"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: = black"></SPAN></FONT></P><P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black" size=3D"3"><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Next we refilled the = Distribution tote with 110 gals of clean good fuel.=A0 I PH'ed it and = did the heat test with good resuilts on this batch. </SPAN></FONT><FONT = color=3D"black"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></P><P = style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" = color=3D"black" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: = black">we started to wash the batch in the=A0washer and it still needs = another wash.=A0 Thats the way we left it.=A0 If someone wants to go = down this saturday, they could finish that batch and dry it.=A0 = </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D"black"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: = black"></SPAN></FONT></P><P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D"black" size=3D"3"><SPAN = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Cat needs food!<IMG height=3D"19" = width=3D"19">=A0 Bill Dodds</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D"black"><SPAN = style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: = medium none; 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Washed Fuel ... (Jeff Brandt)<BR>>=A0=A0=A0=A02. Re: Washed = Fuel ... (Zac Imboden)<BR>><BR>><BR> = >----------------------------------------------------------------------= <BR>><BR>>Message: 1<BR>>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:13:25 = -0700<BR>>From: "Jeff Brandt" <<A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blank"> = jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</A>><BR>>Subject: [mixmasters] Washed = Fuel ...<BR>>To: "GoBiodiesel Mixmasters" <<A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"> = [email protected]</A>><BR>>Message-ID:<BR>> <<A = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:148f83260707161213i6e07af02s52d9bb208decd018-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org= " = target=3D"_blank">148f83260707161213i6e07af02s52d9bb208decd018-JsoAwUIsXotQFR93xxRIaA@public.gmane.org= com </A>><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; = format=3Dflowed<BR>><BR>>We will be attending Solwest at the end = of this month and we will be<BR>>donating some fuel for their silent = auction.<BR>><BR> >I have committed to donating 35 gallons of Sun = Break 100 ...<BR>><BR>>When would I be able to get 35 gallons of = washed and dried fuel from the co-op?<BR>><BR>>We also have 550 = gallons to deliver to the co-op site. You might want <BR>>to keep = these barrels separate as this fuel has received the = pre-wash<BR>>treatment that you requested. I'm very curious to see if = this improves<BR>>your wash times. The downside to the pre-wash seems = to be the glycerol <BR>>separation time. Previously the glycerol = would completely fall out in<BR>>a couple of hours with 12 hours = being overkill. After the pre-wash<BR>>treatment it has been taking = almost 24 hours to get a clean<BR> >separation.<BR>><BR>>I = thought people also might want to know what the current totals are = ...<BR>><BR>>Batch #1, 267 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak = oil<BR>>Batch #2, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil<BR> >Batch = #3, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil<BR>>Batch #4, 275 gallons, = 3.5g base, co-op oil<BR>>Batch #5, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, co-op = oil<BR>>Batch #6, 275 gallons, 5.0g base, co-op oil<BR>>Batch #7, = ??? gallons, problem batch, set aside for later, co-op oil <BR>>Batch = #8, 270 gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil<BR>>Batch #9, 265 = gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil<BR>><BR>>You will = notice that batches #2 through #6 all have 275 gallons = which<BR>>shouldn't be possible. The yield was close to 265-268 = gallons however <BR>>we have recovered alot of biodiesel from our = glycerol barrels and<BR>>topped off the partial barrel to fully = utilize our trip to the co-op.<BR>><BR>>We have used 9 barrels of = methanol, 146 lbs of lye and 576 kWh's of electricity. = <BR>><BR>>The co-op has supplied 2 barrels of = methanol.<BR>><BR>>At some point Sun Break Biofuels needs to = collect 800+ gallons of<BR>>washed biodiesel, although I'm a patient = person and believe the co-op <BR>>members deserve first = right.<BR>><BR>>We have successfully processed around 2200 gallons = of biodiesel. About<BR>>1400 gallons for the co-op and another 800 = gallons for Sun Break.<BR>>There was another batch that didn't work = out so well, but we will fix <BR>>that at a later = date.<BR>><BR>>Processing costs should work out well since Sun = Break will owe the<BR>>co-op approx $400 for fuel washing services, = plus our membership fee<BR>>will be subtracted and in addition the = total overhead was reduced <BR>>since the co-op provided 2 out of the = 5 barrels of methanol we used<BR>>for = processing.<BR>><BR>><BR>>--<BR>>Jeff Brandt<BR>>Sun = Break Biofuels, LLC<BR>>mailto:<A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blank"> = jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>--------------------= ----------<BR>><BR>>Message: 2<BR>>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 = 14:05:17 -0600<BR>>From: Zac Imboden <<A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"> = [email protected]</A>><BR>>Subject: Re: [mixmasters] = Washed Fuel ...<BR>>To: GoBiodiesel Mixmasters <<A onclick=3D"return= top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"> = [email protected]</A>><BR>>Message-ID: <<A = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:CD680CCC-5B34-4252-B778-CD917E51385A-aZ6PXv3Ip8kQwY+2splSUA@public.gmane.org" = target=3D"_blank">CD680CCC-5B34-4252-B778-CD917E51385A-aZ6PXv3Ip8kQwY+2splSUA@public.gmane.org = </A>><BR>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; delsp=3Dyes;= format=3Dflowed<BR>><BR>>Jeff,<BR>><BR>>Thanks for the = updates. We are having a training meeting tonight and<BR>>expect a = large turn-out. We will certainly have more than 35 gallons = <BR>>washed and dried by the end of this month, however, I'm not sure = what<BR>>the quality will be. Do you want fuel if it doesn't pass = 3/27?<BR>><BR>>We need to start tagging the barrels with batch #s = anyway, so we can <BR>>track them. So we can tag the new barrels with = "prewash".<BR>><BR>>Maybe I'll give you a = call.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On Jul 16, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Jeff Brandt = wrote:<BR>><BR>> > We will be attending Solwest at the end of = this month and we will be <BR>> > donating some fuel for their = silent auction.<BR>> ><BR>> > I have committed to donating = 35 gallons of Sun Break 100 ...<BR>> ><BR>> > When would I = be able to get 35 gallons of washed and dried fuel <BR>> > from = the co-op?<BR>> ><BR>> > We also have 550 gallons to deliver = to the co-op site. You might want<BR>> > to keep these barrels = separate as this fuel has received the pre-wash<BR>> > treatment = that you requested. I'm very curious to see if this improves <BR>> = > your wash times. The downside to the pre-wash seems to be the = glycerol<BR>> > separation time. Previously the glycerol would = completely fall out in<BR>> > a couple of hours with 12 hours = being overkill. After the pre-wash <BR>> > treatment it has been = taking almost 24 hours to get a clean<BR>> > separation.<BR>> = ><BR>> > I thought people also might want to know what the = current totals<BR>> > are ...<BR>> > <BR>> > Batch #1, = 267 gallons, 3.5g base, sunbreak oil<BR>> > Batch #2, 275 gallons, = 3.5g base, sunbreak oil<BR>> > Batch #3, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, = sunbreak oil<BR>> > Batch #4, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, co-op = oil<BR>> > Batch #5, 275 gallons, 3.5g base, co-op oil<BR>> = > Batch #6, 275 gallons, 5.0g base, co-op oil<BR>> > Batch #7, = ??? gallons, problem batch, set aside for later, co-op oil<BR>> > = Batch #8, 270 gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil<BR>> > = Batch #9, 265 gallons, 5.0g base, 5% pre-wash, co-op oil<BR>> = ><BR>> > You will notice that batches #2 through #6 all have = 275 gallons which<BR>> > shouldn't be possible. The yield was = close to 265-268 gallons however <BR>> > we have recovered alot of = biodiesel from our glycerol barrels and<BR>> > topped off the = partial barrel to fully utilize our trip to the co-op.<BR>> = ><BR>> > We have used 9 barrels of methanol, 146 lbs of lye and = 576 kWh's of <BR>> > electricity.<BR>> ><BR>> > The = co-op has supplied 2 barrels of methanol.<BR>> ><BR>> > At = some point Sun Break Biofuels needs to collect 800+ gallons of<BR>> = > washed biodiesel, although I'm a patient person and believe the = co-op <BR>> > members deserve first right.<BR>> ><BR>> = > We have successfully processed around 2200 gallons of biodiesel. = About<BR>> > 1400 gallons for the co-op and another 800 gallons = for Sun Break.<BR> > > There was another batch that didn't work = out so well, but we will fix<BR>> > that at a later date.<BR>> = ><BR>> > Processing costs should work out well since Sun Break = will owe the<BR>> > co-op approx $400 for fuel washing services, = plus our membership fee <BR>> > will be subtracted and in addition = the total overhead was reduced<BR>> > since the co-op provided 2 = out of the 5 barrels of methanol we used<BR>> > for = processing.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > -- <BR>> > Jeff = Brandt<BR>> > Sun Break Biofuels, LLC<BR>> > mailto:<A = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org" = target=3D"_blank">jeffb-hD0ojMJ1hjDksvZKaRJZc1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org </A><BR>> > = _______________________________________________<BR>> > mixmasters = mailing list<BR>> > <A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"> = [email protected]</A><BR>> > <A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters" = target=3D"_blank">http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters= </A><BR>> ><BR>> = ><BR>><BR>>------------------------------------------------------= --------<BR>>Zac Imboden<BR>><A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"> = [email protected]</A><BR>>6355 North Burrage = Ave<BR>>Portland, = OR<BR>>97217<BR>>971-563-2477<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>= ;<BR>><BR>>------------------------------<BR>><BR>>___________= ____________________________________ <BR>>mixmasters mailing = list<BR>><A onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</A><BR>><A = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters" = target=3D"_blank"> = http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters</A><BR>><BR>&g= t;End of mixmasters Digest, Vol 41, Issue = 7<BR>>*****************************************</SPAN></FONT><FONT = color=3D"black"><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> = </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>__________________= _____________________________<BR>mixmasters mailing list<BR><A = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"> = [email protected]</A><BR><A onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters" = target=3D"_blank">http://lists.gobiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/mixmasters= </A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; 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