Re: FWB: Foss with benefits
Charles Cossé <[email protected]> Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:43:34 -0700
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--===============7968184545519556296== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c157a00ee904050e527623 --001a11c157a00ee904050e527623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:12 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <[email protected]> wrote: > Now I may sound like I got bitten by Richard, but, you keep saying "open > source", not "free software". That matters. At least when you send out = on > this list. > Well, okay, but I used "FOSS" 10x and "open source" 4x. Really, I assure you, I am just trying to do something "good". > I will probably take a look at your project, > I hope you can at least recommend it afterwards ... ... but it doesn't feel like you are listening to marko . And you should. > Well, I'm sorry to give that impression ... I do appreciate Marko's points, though I think it's largely semantics. We are on the same side, we share the same interest of advancing FOSS education software. Serious question: Is the term "FOSS" agreeable on this list? I respect everyone's opinions and do not wish to step on anyone's sensitivities. Marko: Sorry if my reply sounded as if I wasn't listening to you. Charles > 5. feb. 2015 08:03 skrev "Charles Coss=C3=A9" <[email protected]>: > >> Hi Marko, >> >> I am trying to find some interested FOSS developers, and I believe this >> is one of the right places. This project can help you, FOSS developers = and >> parents. Every parent I've talked to says "our family needs that". "Th= at" >> refers to a way to supplement video game time with constructive, >> educational activity. I have developed a simple, open source >> credit-meter/router using a Raspberry-Pi running Gentoo Linux which solv= es >> the micro-management issues that arise when trying to supplement ones' >> childrens' education. >> >> The other half of the equation is the educational activities. For this >> there is a website built to accommodate open source contributions from >> developers. I propose to (someday) charge a modest subscription fee to >> parents, but not for profit or to be objectionable in any way ... but >> rather, to then let parents distribute that fee among the FOSS activity >> developers of their choice. Not an app store, b/c full access to >> everything. It's better, IMO, because it maintains engagement between t= he >> user and developer communities (something often lacking) and promotes FO= SS >> development in several ways. >> >> The FSF's resource directory for elementary education >> <http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Category/Education/elementary> contains >> only 33 projects, 4 (12%) of which are my own. Projects like GCompris >> certainly have far more content than my little projects, but I do feel >> qualified to say that there is certainly room for more. And this projec= t >> should not only create more FOSS software for elementary education, but >> accelerate the rate of development by maintaining the engagement between >> users and developers. >> >> So let's discuss it! I encourage interested developers and parents, >> alike, to become involved. There are already great FOSS software projec= ts >> like GCompris, Childsplay and others. I am a fan of them all. It's a >> 0:1 proposition when it comes to FOSS. It's all good. This project >> represents something a little different. It's web-based, and it offers = a >> mechanism to compensate FOSS developers, while maintaining pure open sou= rce >> principles. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Marko Dimja=C5=A1evi=C4=87 <marko@dimjas= evic.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> What did you have in mind when you said it is "non-commercial"? >>> >> >> My intended meaning was "no objectionable (to FOSS community) ingredient= s" >> >> >> > I am interested to fix any holes in my scheme, though, so could you >>> > elaborate on where I could be mistaken? >>> >>> When a non-informed audience uses terms like "non-commercial" ... >>> >>> Maybe you didn't mean anything like that, but then maybe you could be >>> more clear. >>> >> >> That is correct, I was referring to "holes in my scheme", not holes in m= y >> understanding of what open source software is :) >> >> Finally, let me just add that I would really like to attract developers >> (and users) internationally, so that it doesn't look like a local projec= t >> filled with people from my area. The fact that it is web-based and easi= ly >> i18-ized will hopefully be a virtue in that respect. >> >> So if any FOSS developers or parents are intrigued by this then I hope >> you will continue this discussion with your input. >> >> Thanks! >> Charles Coss=C3=A9 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> European "Free Software in Education" mailing list >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-eu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > European "Free Software in Education" mailing list > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-eu > > --001a11c157a00ee904050e527623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi, <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail= _quote">On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:12 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <span dir=3D"ltr">&= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">likevel.kat= [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty= le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi= ng-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Now I may sound like I got bitten by Richard, b= ut,=C2=A0 you keep saying "open source",=C2=A0 not "free sof= tware". That matters. At least when you send out=C2=A0 on this list. <= /p></blockquote><div>Well, okay, but I used "FOSS" 10x and "= open source" 4x.=C2=A0 Really, I assure you, I am just trying to do so= mething "good".=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s= olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <p dir=3D"ltr">I will probably take a look at your project, <br></p></block= quote>I hope you can at least recommend it afterwards ...<br></div><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg= in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e= x"> <p dir=3D"ltr">...=C2=A0 but it doesn't feel like you are listening to = marko . And you should.</p></blockquote>Well, I'm sorry to give that im= pression ... I do appreciate Marko's points, though I think it's la= rgely semantics.=C2=A0 We are on the same side, we share the same interest = of advancing FOSS education software.=C2=A0 <br><br>Serious question: Is th= e term "FOSS" agreeable on this list?=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br></div><div>= <br></div><div>I respect everyone's opinions and do not wish to step on= anyone's sensitivities.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Marko: Sorry if my reply sounded a= s if I wasn't listening to you.<br><br></div><div>Charles<br></div><div= ><br>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p dir= =3D"ltr"> </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">5. feb. 2015 08:03 skrev "Charles Coss=C3= =A9" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ccosse@= gmail.com</a>>:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= " style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Marko,<br><br><div>I am try= ing to find some interested FOSS developers, and I believe this is one of t= he right places.=C2=A0 This project can help you, FOSS developers and paren= ts.=C2=A0 Every parent I've talked to says "our family needs that&= quot;.=C2=A0 "That" refers to a way to supplement video game time= with constructive, educational activity. =C2=A0=C2=A0 I have developed a s= imple, open source credit-meter/router using a Raspberry-Pi running Gentoo = Linux which solves the micro-management issues that arise when trying to su= pplement ones' childrens' education.=C2=A0 <br><br></div><div>The o= ther half of the equation is the educational activities.=C2=A0 For this the= re is a website built to accommodate open source contributions from develop= ers.=C2=A0 I propose to (someday) charge a modest subscription fee to paren= ts, but not for profit or to be objectionable in any way ... but rather, to= then let parents distribute that fee among the FOSS activity developers of= their choice.=C2=A0 Not an app store, b/c full access to everything.=C2=A0= It's better, IMO, because it maintains engagement between the user and= developer communities (something often lacking) and promotes FOSS developm= ent in several ways.=C2=A0 <br><br></div><div>The FSF's <a href=3D"http= ://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Category/Education/elementary" target=3D"_blank">= resource directory for elementary education</a> contains only 33 projects, = 4 (12%) of which are my own.=C2=A0 Projects like GCompris certainly have f= ar more content than my little projects, but I do feel qualified to say tha= t there is certainly room for more.=C2=A0 And this project should not only = create more FOSS software for elementary education, but accelerate the rate= of development by maintaining the engagement between users and developers.= <br><br></div><div>So let's discuss it!=C2=A0 I encourage interested de= velopers and parents, alike, to become involved.=C2=A0 There are already gr= eat FOSS software projects like GCompris, Childsplay and others.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 I am a fan of them all.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It's a 0:1 proposition when it = comes to FOSS.=C2=A0 It's all good.=C2=A0 This project represents somet= hing a little different.=C2=A0 It's web-based, and it offers a mechanis= m to compensate FOSS developers, while maintaining pure open source princip= les.=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br= ><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Marko Dimja=C5= =A1evi=C4=87 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote= class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so= lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br> What did you have in mind when you said it is "non-commercial"?<s= pan><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My intended meaning was &qu= ot;no objectionable (to FOSS community) ingredients"<br></div><div><br= ><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.= 8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span> > I am interested to fix any holes in my scheme, though, so could you<br= > > elaborate on where I could be mistaken?<br> <br> </span>When a non-informed audience uses terms like "non-commercial&qu= ot; ...<br> <br> Maybe you didn't mean anything like that, but then maybe you could be<b= r> more clear.<br> </blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">That is correct, I = was referring to "holes in my scheme", not holes in my understand= ing of what open source software is :) <br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex= tra">Finally, let me just add that I would really like to attract developer= s (and users) internationally, so that it doesn't look like a local pro= ject filled with people from my area.=C2=A0 The fact that it is web-based a= nd easily i18-ized will hopefully be a virtue in that respect.<br><br>So if= any FOSS developers or parents are intrigued by this then I hope you will = continue this discussion with your input.=C2=A0 <br></div><div class=3D"gma= il_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks!<br>Charles Coss=C3= =A9</div></div></div> <br></div></div><span>_______________________________________________<br> European "Free Software in Education" mailing list<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-eu" target=3D"_blank"= >https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-eu</a><br> <br></span></blockquote></div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> European "Free Software in Education" mailing list<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-eu" target=3D"_blank"= >https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-eu</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div></div> --001a11c157a00ee904050e527623-- --===============7968184545519556296== Content-Type: text/plain; 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