Re: FWB: Foss with benefits
"L.Cecilie Wian" <[email protected]> Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:29:47 +0100
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--===============7738269327724484922== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1138030e56718e050e531bf3 --001a1138030e56718e050e531bf3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Charles Coss=C3=A9 <[email protected]> wrote= : > Thank you Michael :) > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Michael Kesper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Am 05.02.2015 um 08:12 schrieb L.Cecilie Wian: >> >>> Now I may sound like I got bitten by Richard, but, you keep saying >>> "open source", not "free software". That matters. At least when you >>> send out on this list. >>> >>> I will probably take a look at your project, but it doesn't feel like >>> you are listening to marko . And you should. >>> >> >> Please please read your comments again. >> I'm very sad to hear such harsh comments when somebody proposes a tool >> for propagating knowledge about Free Software. >> > I meant to be strict, not rude. And i was annoyed by phrasing, where developers and parents was invited to the discussion, not everyone on the list, thus disregarding the input you got. Glad that was not your intention. >> @Charles: Thanks for the info about your project! >> I think it's better to not create false dichotomies in people's mind: >> - Free Software (aka open source) is always commercially useable, that's >> freedom 0 >> - FSFE absolutely encourages building business models on creating, >> spreading, studying, using or improving Free Software! >> - As there's no free lunch, you've got to have some way to accept money >> if you want to build a sustaining infrastructure >> >> So, I'd cut out the "non-commercial" attribute and would paraphrase it >> differently, better explaining what you mean. >> > It looks like i'm missing an email here? Anyway, i'll go a little back and talk a littlebit about the semantics, because when getting into EDU what seems like a detail is huge. The non-comercial part is at first glance a good way of ensuring no-one takes your good ideas and run of with them, while ensuring the intended audience get to use the software. However be aware that a lot of schools and educators are actually in private sector and NC in a licence keeps them from being allowed to use it, b/c they make money out of education. The other way to go about it is the GPL, and since you say you want that i think we are getting somewhere intressting. I'll have a closer look at your project now. When it comes to the very little amount of edu-software (on the list, but also everywhere else), it is so b/c it is a really hard thing to do. Not only to make technically a good solution, but one that interact with humans with edu in mind. However it is not impossible. --=20 Cecilie Wian "A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for."*- Grace Hopper / William G.T. Shedd* --001a1138030e56718e050e531bf3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te">On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Charles Coss=C3=A9 <span dir=3D"ltr">&l= t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a= >></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p= x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);bo= rder-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you Michael = :)<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Th= u, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Michael Kesper <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span>= wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.= 8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-st= yle:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br> <br> Am 05.02.2015 um 08:12 schrieb L.Cecilie Wian:<span class=3D""><span><br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-= left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p= adding-left:1ex"> Now I may sound like I got bitten by Richard, but,=C2=A0 you keep saying<br= > "open source",=C2=A0 not "free software". That matters.= At least when you<br> send out=C2=A0 on this list.<br> <br> I will probably take a look at your project,=C2=A0 but it doesn't feel = like<br> you are listening to marko . And you should.<br> </blockquote> <br></span></span> Please please read your comments again.<br> I'm very sad to hear such harsh comments when somebody proposes a tool = for propagating knowledge about Free Software.<br></blockquote></div></div>= </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I meant to be strict, not rude.=C2=A0</div= ><div>And i was annoyed by phrasing, where developers and parents was invit= ed to the discussion, not everyone on the list, thus disregarding the input= you got. Glad that was not your intention.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>= <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8= ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-sty= le:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_q= uote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b= order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s= olid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> @Charles: Thanks for the info about your project!<br> I think it's better to not create false dichotomies in people's min= d:<br> - Free Software (aka open source) is always commercially useable, that'= s freedom 0<br> - FSFE absolutely encourages building business models on creating, spreadin= g, studying, using or improving Free Software!<br> - As there's no free lunch, you've got to have some way to accept m= oney if you want to build a sustaining infrastructure<br> <br> So, I'd cut out the "non-commercial" attribute and would para= phrase it differently, better explaining what you mean.<br></blockquote></d= iv></div></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div>It looks l= ike i'm missing an email here?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b= r></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Anyway, i'll go a little back and ta= lk a littlebit about the semantics, because when getting into EDU what seem= s like a detail is huge.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">The non-come= rcial part is at first glance a good way of ensuring no-one takes your good= ideas and run of with them, while ensuring the intended audience get to us= e the software. However be aware that a lot of schools and educators are ac= tually in private sector and NC in a licence keeps them from being allowed = to use it, b/c they make money out of education. The other way to go about = it is the GPL, and since you say you want that i think we are getting somew= here intressting.=C2=A0<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div = class=3D"gmail_extra">I'll have a closer look at your project now.=C2= =A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Wh= en it comes to the very little amount of edu-software (on the list, but als= o everywhere else), it is so b/c it is a really hard thing to do. Not only = to make technically a good solution, but one that interact with humans with= edu in mind. However it is not impossible.=C2=A0<br clear=3D"all"><div><br= ></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D= "gmail_signature">Cecilie Wian<br><br><h1 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 15px;colo= r:rgb(24,24,24);font-weight:normal;padding:0px;font-size:14px;font-family:G= eorgia,'Times New Roman',serif;line-height:18px">"A ship is sa= fe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for."</h1><h1 style=3D= "margin:0px 0px 15px;color:rgb(24,24,24);font-weight:normal;padding:0px;fon= t-size:14px;font-family:Georgia,'Times New Roman',serif;line-height= :18px"><i style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style=3D"c= olor:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:small;line-height:normal">- Grace Hopper /=C2=A0<= /span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:small;line-height:normal">W= illiam G.T. Shedd</span></i></h1></div></div></div> </div></div> --001a1138030e56718e050e531bf3-- --===============7738269327724484922== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ European "Free Software in Education" mailing list https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-eu --===============7738269327724484922==--