RE: [OS:N:] Who should control which IP, was: Questionaire about ...

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Paul wrote:

> Both sides of the IP for/against argument make a lot of sense I think.

I have been sitting this out but let me pos a situation similar but
totally different business

I am a transportation consulting engineer.  
I worked on the North East Corridor high speed rail project (Acela) 
among the things I worked on was curve realignments for high speed

now the Engineering degree cost me time and money to get. 
my stock in trade is my knowledge in how trains work

when redoing the tracks I used math that has existed long before there
were trains'

at what point is it 'Open" and when does it become "Propietary' or IP

.certainly I don't own the numerals 0-9
.what about the complex math formulas used to figure these??? been around
for centuries
.what about the output of my work,,,paid for by Amtrak, is that public?
.the process and input was all publiclly avaliable
.could any one used those formula to do the same work?? 
.if I wrote a text book including some/all of these formula??
.if I wrote about some new and inovative technique I discovered??
.how about if I designed a new piece of machinery to facilitate this work?
. ???

this can be equated to Open source.

.certainly all computers work on the old 0 and 1 switch off/on.
is that proprietary?
.ok the operating system that make the switches do something like real
work?
.can I keep someone else from developing an operating system that may
incorporate some of the same code?? even if I never saw the other
operating system and have no knowledge of it's existtance??

when does ours become mine is the question??

I am a strong supporter of open source, and in fact our office is 100%
open sourced based, (but some software that  runs on it is proprietary,
such as "Vuescan" for our scanners, bought from Ed Hamrick)??

also the problem also comes up, supposed the trains didn't stay on the
track??? whose fault is that??? 

why do people pay me to do this math if it is open to anyone??

these discussions have given me a headache????


sorry just rambling I guess
Bob




> 
> The main question for me is - is the enforcement of the Intellectual
> Property law in question unfairly limiting an essential field of human
> endeavour OR does it discriminate against those already disadvantaged in
> some way.
> 
> For example - IP on certain pharmaceuticals that make it impossible to
> produce them at a lower cost for a poor country.  Terrible for the
> humanities sake, but beneficial for a handful of IP owners?
> 
> New ideas for non-combustion engines that are apparently owned by oil
> companies(if that's true)?
> 
> That being said, Artists, programmers and so on need to make a living
> and some guarantee of a payback for their work is essential. 
> 
> The Internet of course has shaken up the IP world and it is scrambling
> to recover - books, software can be reproduced in electronic form and
> make it hard for profits to be recouped.
> 
> Perhaps as some have suggested (Stallman I think?), a global fee to
> access the Internet and an IP 'free for all' once you have logged on?
> EG. Everyone pays $20 a month, goes into a global fund which is diveed
> up according to how many downloads of an authors product occur.
> 
> Information abundance and authors get paid.  Cuts out IP hogging
> multi-nationals at least :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Les Bell
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:02 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [OS:N:] Who should control which IP, was: Questionaire
> about ...
> 
> 
> "[email protected]" wrote:
> 
> >>
> I find it interesting how you classify your power to control others
> actions as a "freedom."
> <<
> 
> But you want the "right" to take his work for free? Fortunately, his
> rights
> take precedence.
> 
> You just don't get it, do you?
> 
> Best,
> 
> --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP
> [http://www.lesbell.com.au]
> 
> 
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