Re: [OS:N:] Another multiple response (Basic rights warmed up in the microwave again)

--- Johnnie Peters <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 09:59, James Michael DuPont wrote:
> > When I talk about the rights of the students, I mean that as well.
> When
> > you look at the contracts, laws and EULA, you see that they are
> > designed on limiting the rights of the users. 
> > 
> > Now, why do these rights have to be limited, unless they were there
> to
> > begin with? The rights to view and edit and change source code are
> > there until they are taken away by contract or agreement. 
> > 
> > In the pure state, a human is not bound by contract, only by
> binding
> > themselves to various agreements do these rights become take away.
> > 
> > The proponents of IP on this list are interested in these
> "rightless"
> > people because they do not trust them, and because they can help
> pay
> > off thier morgages and buy luxary goods for thier children. But
> there
> > are other ways to do this without taking away student rights, like
> > teaching them things.
> > 
> > I challenge you IP people to make some statements about students
> and
> > user rights in general, that is the context of this list, or am I
> > wrong?
> > 
> You are absolutely wrong.  You do not have inherent rights to look at
> anything anybody else does.  Only be them giving it to you do you
> have
> that right.  This is what the GPL is all about.  It defines you
> rights
> in regards to that particular item.  Nothing else.  It a EULA in all
> sense of the meaning.
> 
> If somebody else wants to give you a more limited set of rights, and
> they own the item in question, then that is their right.  Not yours. 
> You have only the rights they are willing to give you.  They must put
> those rights down on paper and communicate them to you or they have
> lost
> them by default.
> 
> This is what most of the "EULA" agreements are.  It has nothing to do
> with limiting students.  It is a legal agreement between producer and
> customer.

1. Ok, if you dont have the source code, you cannot view it.
you still have the rights to look at the files and use free software to
view the content. that is being taken away by the courseware contracts.

the copyright covers your content already. 

my beef is that the EULA exclude the ability to study and use the
courseware with only free software.

mike

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James Michael DuPont
http://introspector.sourceforge.net/

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