Re: Google and the South African Internet

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:30:33 +0200
[email protected] wrote:

> And I thought everyone had been thrown into the back of a police van.
> 
> checkout http://ispa.org.za/code-of-conduct/take-down-guide/ - and
> while they're not ISPA members, it gives you an idea of how to go
> about things (if you have not already).
> 
tried that Calvin, I also have an advocates opinion that I will
probably lose a legal case.

re: streisand: It can only help my case at this point :)

I have exhausted all avenues - so now am appealing to the Internet
Community.

Is this the type of Internet people want?

Do people want to push towards an intranet (like China) or a state
Internet, like Russia or the USA model or EU model or what?

The problem is with current legislation in SA and us (society) we do
not offer much in terms of this type of "bullying", where the
publication is accurate but not complete.

Nothing forces mybraodband.co.za to have balanced or even
accurate reporting and nothing protects my privacy to the extent that
I can demand a takedown. 

We do not have adequate laws in South Africa to deal with Internet and
privacy issues like this as it is unique to the Internet.

In the EU they have altered privacy protection laws to force Google to
remove search engine results like this.

In SA, this is perfectly fine.

Until this happens to you, and you lose jobs and contracts because of
this type of behavior.

We do not have proper privacy protection in South Africa and it seems
as if many people are either ignorant of that or simply do not care.

They do not even care that they are ignorant - this seems to be the
latest new and fashionable thing in SA  - accepting your own
ignorance. 

Andre

> 
> On 11/12/2015 11:23, Andre Coetzee wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 11:01:26 +0200
> > Liam Smit <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I'd never heard of this until now... Talk about resurrecting a
> >> thread from dead...
> >> If you're unhappy about it then:
> >> 1.) Get MyBroadband to remove the forum post
> >> 2.) Get Google to remove the search result
> > the owner, [email protected] as well as the person who posted the
> > thread, is not interested in removing it, neither is anyone at
> > mybroadband.co.za
> >
> > Google says that they will not remove it as it is free speech.
> >
> > Legally, the main issue is not inaccurate, I was arrested.
> >
> > Is it fair? lets say you, a private person, Liam Smit, is not liked
> > by Sunday Times and you are pulled over for a normal routine traffic
> > stop...
> >
> > Is it cool for the Sunday Times to run front page, for MANY MANY
> > YEARS IN THE FUTURE: "Liam Smit pulled over by Police and then just
> > that you were pulled over, that nobody likes you and that all Ford
> > drivers suck eggs"
> >
> > Just because they can?
> >
> > Thing is Liam, until something bad/evil/unfair actually happens to
> > you, you will nto really appreciate this.
> >
> > Imagine trying to gain a small contract so that you can buy food for
> > your 4 year old little girl and 9 year old boy and you are told
> > "sorry, we do not want you to do the work because the police
> > arrested you"
> >
> > Bias.
> >
> > It is normal - I would not hire myself either.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 09:08:00 +0200
> >> Andre Coetzee <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> When I search my name on Google.com the 5th result is this:
> >>
> >> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/400259-Arrest-of-Internet-Personality-Andre-Coetzee
> >>
> >> I was arrested in 2012 at my address and held for three days by
> >> the SA Police for refusing to pay a bribe to a police officer.
> >>
> >> The 'official' reason for my arrest inside a building at my
> >> address is "refusing to provide my address to a police officer"
> >>
> >> Charges which were quite obviously withdrawn as we still have a
> >> seemingly/sometimes functional legal system.
> >>
> >> and, other charges were of course made, etc, etc.
> >>
> >> Now go read the rubbish that 'mybroadband.co.za'/internet community
> >> publishes and http://google.com promotes as 'fact' or even closely
> >> relevant.
> >>
> >> Maybe I should have simply paid the bribe, the cop only wanted a
> >> few thousand rands as he confused me with someone else to begin
> >> with. Anyway, I digress.
> >>
> >> It is the contributions that everyone, including civil society,
> >> makes to South Africa that shapes what it is.
> >>
> >> Google views "mybroadband.co.za" as a "news" website and as
> >> seemingly has vast popular support by the community (including
> >> you) that represents the South African Internet.
> >>
> >> meanwhile, the truth is that 'mybroadband.co.za" is obviously not a
> >> "real" news website.
> >>
> >> But, you, the South African Internet users, and GOOGLE strongly
> >> supports this "website" for some unknown reason?
> >>
> >> The result of this 'trust" is that;
> >>
> >> Every time I meet someone new or try to do new business I find
> >> myself having to explain the post and thread on mybroadband.co.za
> >>
> >> I have nothing to do with mybroadband.co.za or that thread, except
> >> responding to it and subsequently deleting any account that I had
> >> there
> >>
> >> On the South African Internet we will either follow the Chinese
> >> model of running a type of intranet or the Russian model, the
> >> European model (which protects private people and privacy - and
> >> the sh1t published by this 'mybroadband' and marketed by
> >> Google.com about an "internet personality' (wtf??) will never fly.
> >>
> >> But maybe South Africans like the idea of an Intranet (like China)
> >> or security cops like Russia? or what?
> >>
> >> Andre
> >>
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