Re: Abuse
Graham Leggett <[email protected]> Fri, 8 Sep 2017 12:18:22 +0200
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Due process is = followed and the affected parties get to settle on a binding judgement. I would be very wary of any industry led initiative. Conflicts of = interest could arise where competitors blacklist each other, or if an = ISP acts to add someone to the blacklist based on their own = interpretation of what is acceptable and not what the law says is = acceptable. 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