Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF

Andrew,

Cell phones. And Cloud. Not Corps. I started some of this, I mentioned IPv6
in a meeting and two corp engineers laughed.

You can google it yourself.

Jamie

On Sat, May 2, 2026 at 12:19 AM Andrew Kirch via NANOG <
[email protected]> wrote:

> If no corporation is migrating then why is IPv6 traffic continuing to
> increase?
>
> As I pointed out, IPv6 traffic increased 5% last year.  At that admittedly
> slow rate, the entire internet will be IPv6 in 10 years.
>
> Further your assertion that business is the prime mover is incorrect.
> Business will move when they have to.  That time is coming.
>
> When businesses can’t get IPv4 from their providers or superscaler, or a
> vendor or client can’t reach them, they will move.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2026 at 11:14 PM Jamie Thain via NANOG <
> [email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > The issue is for corporate and the cloud, IPv6 is just as broken as IPv4.
> >
> > And no corporate is migrating go look.  Its been the next big thing in
> > Corporate networks for 20 years.
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 5:26 PM Andrew Kirch via NANOG <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > I oppose this.  With IPv6 traffic now representing around half of
> > internet
> > > traffic, the time to rethink has long passed.
> > >
> > > If IPv8 was going to be a solution, it should have been a solution 10
> > years
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > In the last 12 months, ~5% of traffic migrated to IPv6.  At that rate,
> > IPv6
> > > will be fully implemented by 2035.  I'm not seeing a problem that needs
> > to
> > > be solved, or a credible solution.
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 3:23 PM Jamie Thain via NANOG <
> > > [email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > My name is Jamie Thain I'm the creator of IPv8. It's not a hoax.
> > > >
> > > > I joined this list because, as part of IPv8, I am creating a BGPv8.
> > > Inside
> > > > BGPv8, two new protocols CF (Cost Factor), weigh cost factors along
> the
> > > > routes to produce a better metric. It's a hybrid of EIRGP mixed with
> > BGP
> > > to
> > > > create better engineering results.
> > > >
> > > > I also as part of CF created Sun Tzu which is the protocol that
> watches
> > > CF
> > > > and gives you a CF score of reliability.  Do I trust my partnership
> > with
> > > > you?
> > > >
> > > > Now, beyond an on-slaught of IPv8 is stupid, IPv6 solves every
> problem,
> > > > etc, etc. That's not my discussion point. My point isn't "should I
> even
> > > > propose IPv8" my point is what would be the best result for
> operators?
> > > >
> > > > I believe that since IPv8 solves the duopoly problem, it will replace
> > > > IPv4.
> > > >
> > > > So the things to know, IPV8 is NOT a 64 bit addressing system.
> > > >
> > > > It is a 32 bit routing system with a 32 bit addressing system.
> > > >
> > > > A Routing Number = ASNs plus others.
> > > >
> > > > 8.8.8.8 would become 15169.8.8.8.8
> > > >
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-02.html
> > > > <
> > > > https://l.shortlink.es/l/3ae384c1b8e2eb92749595407c5cf9b87ea
> > > 3372a?u=12457652
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So each ASN in the world will have 3 Billion available addresses.
> > > >
> > > > There is a specially reserved group of internal ASN 127.x.x.x so each
> > > corp,
> > > > org, has 16 Million areas of 3 Billion addresses, to replace 10.x.x.x
> > and
> > > > 100.64.x.x.x
> > > >
> > > > I'd appreciate your thoughts on it
> > > >
> > > > Jamie
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