Re: Using Cloudflare after Christchurch

Jed

I would be interested to know what you decided to go with instead of
Cloudflare.

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 16:21 Jed Laundry <jlaundry-0uov2bsCqd9Wk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> InternetNZ are working on a well-considered response and I do support
> them, but I don't think they are the only organisation or group where this
> should be discussed. Especially where operational decisions are involved
> which may have downstream effects.
>
> I agree with Peter and Michael; the argument that "it's just content" and
> that ISPs have no role in layer 8+ policy decisions is a bit disingenuous,
> because we regularly filter our customers from bad things. We run spam
> filters, we block malware sites, we choose to stop working with abusive
> customers; we (try to) make the internet a hostile place for bad people to
> operate. This isn't censorship--they can still get content online--we just
> don't make it easy for them.
>
> Cloudflare have taken a commercial position based on a very US-centric
> "free speech" world view that they, effectively, shouldn't try to do any of
> this. Personally, I can understand their position, but I don't agree with
> it. Lacking any US amendment, the seemingly only way to change this
> commercial position is to apply commercial pressure, which is the point
> that Peter is making; is anyone considering operational changes to apply
> commercial pressure?
>
> I know on the consumer side, at $DAYJOB we're looking at edge services.
> Cloudflare are of course one of the options. Based on my personal
> experience with my free account I was going to strongly back them, but
> their continued non-response to these events has made me reconsider that
> and my personal IT involvement with them.
>
> Thanks,
> Jed.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 11:06, Peter Lambrechtsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I have tried tweeting eastdakota when I was doxed and haven't had a
>> response. If you get a response I would be interested.
>>
>> But I highly recommend you ask him the pointed question about the AUP of
>> Cloudflare as brevity of it speaks volumes:
>>
>> https://www.cloudflare.com/terms/
>>
>> And ask him why *all* the most vile sites on the internet seem to only
>> use his services for WAF/DDoS protection and none of the other providers
>> and why he doesn't do anything about it. It's no mistake that there isn't
>> any validation of the email address you use when signing up to the
>> Cloudflare service.
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
>>
>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 10:44 AM Mehmet Akcin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have concerns, email the ceo or tweet him @eastdakota. Good guy,
>>> reasonable, and he will take time respond. I know people who work there.
>>> They are not going to let anyone malicious use their platform knowingly.
>>>
>>> ‘Mehmet
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 15:14 Michael Fincham <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2019 09:10:50 +1200
>>>> Jonathan Brewer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > InternetNZ is the forum to discuss this, not NZNOG.
>>>>
>>>> Engineers have a personal responsibility to ensure that the actions
>>>> they take, even on behalf of an employer, are ethically right.
>>>>
>>>> I do think therefore this is a discussion for NZNOG, being as it is a
>>>> community of engineers who do the implementing.
>>>>
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