Re: 2019 BGP router recommendations

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Seems like the consensus is still pretty much Juniper is the preferred
vendor of choice. I was prepared to be enlightened into a world of
alternatives...

Thanks all.  Must be almost beer'o'clock

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 13:35, Liam Farr <[email protected]> wrote:

> Did the same exercise, the perpetual + support, or yearly subscription
> path both cost more than vMX after a few years.
>
> MX150 is better value if your focused on cost and don=E2=80=99t care abou=
t
> limitations like single PSU.
>
> I have been advised that you may not get the performance advertised on th=
e
> data sheet for some protocols, IP forwarding being multi thread / CPU cor=
e,
> but some L2/MPLS stuff is only single core, (haven=E2=80=99t tested this
> personally), so can bottleneck. Likewise turning on stuff like QOS is
> supposed to be quite resource intensive as no ASIC.
>
> - -
>
> Liam Farr
> +64-22-6107884
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 9/08/2019, at 12:57 PM, Tony Wicks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Licence wise, the 150 stacks up very favourably. I know that is counter
> intuitive, but=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]=
z>
> *On Behalf Of *Jesse Archer
> *Sent:* Friday, 9 August 2019 12:17 PM
> *To:* NZNOG Mailing-List <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations
>
>
>
> It's basically vMX running on a Juniper hardware box.
>
>
>
> Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just grab a vMX license?
>
>
>
>
> *Jesse Archer*
> *General Manager*Full Flavour
>
> *p. *07 577 0099  *ddi*. 07 281 1391
> *s*. Skype "myfullflavour"
> *e*. [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *w*. fullflavour.nz <http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/>
> *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga
> *a*. PO Box 13403, Tauranga Central, Tauranga 3141, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:16 PM Tony Wicks <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> MX150 will handle a few full tables no problem, now if it only had more
> than one power supply=E2=80=A6. It is a very attractive price for what yo=
u get
> however.
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]=
z>
> *On Behalf Of *Phil Snowdon
> *Sent:* Friday, 9 August 2019 11:17 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Looking for some recommendations for BGP edge routers.
>
>
>
> Have used Juniper devices for years, but interested to hear what else may
> be out there.  Requirement is just to shift packets and multihome to a fe=
w
> upstream transit providers with full routing tables and several peering
> partners with more limited route table sizes.  Traffic volumes in the gig=
s
> to low 10's of gigs.
>
>
>
> I seem to be getting into a situation where the high end boxes to cope
> with routing table sizes are overkill in terms of features and performanc=
e
> (and price).   But match performance and there's not enough memory to run
> the BGP.
>
>
>
> Prefer a supported vendor device rather than roll your own open source
> solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Phil
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Seems like the consensus is still pretty much Juniper is t=
he preferred vendor of choice. I was prepared to be enlightened into a worl=
d of alternatives...<div><br></div><div>Thanks all.=C2=A0 Must be almost be=
er&#39;o&#39;clock</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 13:35, Liam Farr &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Did the =
same exercise, the perpetual + support, or yearly subscription path both co=
st more than vMX after a few years.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>MX150 is bette=
r value if your focused on cost and don=E2=80=99t care about limitations li=
ke single PSU.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I have been advised that you =
may not get the performance advertised on the data sheet for some protocols=
, IP forwarding being multi thread / CPU core, but some L2/MPLS stuff is on=
ly single core, (haven=E2=80=99t tested this personally), so can bottleneck=
. Likewise turning on stuff like QOS is supposed to be quite resource inten=
sive as no ASIC.=C2=A0<br><br><div id=3D"gmail-m_3424636149209143424AppleMa=
ilSignature" dir=3D"ltr"><div>- -</div><div><br></div><div>Liam Farr</div><=
div>+64-22-6107884</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On 9/08/2019, at 12:57 PM, Tony Wicks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tony@=
wicks.co.nz" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail-m_342463614=
9209143424WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Licence wise, the 150 =
stacks up very favourably. I know that is counter intuitive, but=E2=80=A6</=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span>=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=A0</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email protected]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nznog-bounces@=
list.waikato.ac.nz" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&=
gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jesse Archer<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 9 August 2019 =
12:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> NZNOG Mailing-List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nznog@list.=
waikato.ac.nz" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations</span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It&#39;s basically vMX ru=
nning on a Juniper hardware box.</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Wouldn&#39;t it be more cost effective to =
just grab a vMX license?</p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p=
>=C2=A0</p><p><b><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Jesse Archer<=
br></span></b><i><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">General Manag=
er<br></span></i><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Full Flavour<=
/span></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><img id=3D"gmail-=
m_3424636149209143424_x0000_i1025" src=3D"http://fullflavour.co.nz/files/78=
14/0357/5893/full-flavour.png"></span></p><p><b><span style=3D"font-family:=
Arial,sans-serif">p. </span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif=
">07 577 0099 =C2=A0<b>ddi</b>. 07 281 1391</span><br><b><span style=3D"fon=
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s-serif">. Skype &quot;myfullflavour&quot;<br><b>e</b>. <a href=3D"mailto:j=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br>=
<b>w</b>.=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/" target=3D"_bl=
ank">fullflavour.nz</a><br><b>a. </b>Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauran=
ga<br><b>a</b>. PO Box 13403, Tauranga Central, Tauranga 3141, New Zealand<=
/span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:16 PM Tony Wicks &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;bor=
der-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">MX=
150 will handle a few full tables no problem, now if it only had more than =
one power supply=E2=80=A6. It is a very attractive price for what you get h=
owever.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:nzn=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">nznog-bounces-+wOGpAKf4av/[email protected]=
.ac.nz</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ph=
il Snowdon<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 9 August 2019 11:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
to.ac.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations</sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi All,=
</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Looking for some recommendations for BGP edge routers.</p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have used Jun=
iper devices for years, but interested to hear what else may be out there.=
=C2=A0 Requirement is just to shift packets and multihome to a few upstream=
 transit providers with full routing tables and several peering partners wi=
th more limited route table sizes.=C2=A0 Traffic volumes in the gigs to low=
 10&#39;s of gigs.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I seem to be getting into a situation where the hi=
gh end boxes to cope with routing table sizes are overkill in terms of feat=
ures and performance (and price).=C2=A0 =C2=A0But match performance and the=
re&#39;s not enough memory to run the BGP.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Prefer a supported vendor =
device rather than roll your own open source solution.</p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Phil</p></div></div></div></div=
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