Re: 2019 BGP router recommendations
Liam Farr <[email protected]> Thu, 8 Aug 2019 18:34:41 -0700
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--===============2040960864== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000acb517058fa52de3" --000000000000acb517058fa52de3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did the same exercise, the perpetual + support, or yearly subscription path both cost more than vMX after a few years. MX150 is better value if your focused on cost and don=E2=80=99t care about limitations like single PSU. I have been advised that you may not get the performance advertised on the data sheet for some protocols, IP forwarding being multi thread / CPU core, but some L2/MPLS stuff is only single core, (haven=E2=80=99t tested this personally), so can bottleneck. Likewise turning on stuff like QOS is supposed to be quite resource intensive as no ASIC. - - Liam Farr +64-22-6107884 Sent from my iPhone On 9/08/2019, at 12:57 PM, Tony Wicks <[email protected]> wrote: Licence wise, the 150 stacks up very favourably. I know that is counter intuitive, but=E2=80=A6 *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]>= *On Behalf Of *Jesse Archer *Sent:* Friday, 9 August 2019 12:17 PM *To:* NZNOG Mailing-List <[email protected]> *Subject:* Re: [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations It's basically vMX running on a Juniper hardware box. Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just grab a vMX license? *Jesse Archer* *General Manager*Full Flavour *p. *07 577 0099 *ddi*. 07 281 1391 *s*. Skype "myfullflavour" *e*. [email protected] <[email protected]> *w*. fullflavour.nz <http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/> *a. *Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga *a*. PO Box 13403, Tauranga Central, Tauranga 3141, New Zealand On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:16 PM Tony Wicks <[email protected]> wrote: MX150 will handle a few full tables no problem, now if it only had more than one power supply=E2=80=A6. It is a very attractive price for what you = get however. *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]>= *On Behalf Of *Phil Snowdon *Sent:* Friday, 9 August 2019 11:17 AM *To:* [email protected] *Subject:* [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations Hi All, Looking for some recommendations for BGP edge routers. Have used Juniper devices for years, but interested to hear what else may be out there. Requirement is just to shift packets and multihome to a few upstream transit providers with full routing tables and several peering partners with more limited route table sizes. Traffic volumes in the gigs to low 10's of gigs. I seem to be getting into a situation where the high end boxes to cope with routing table sizes are overkill in terms of features and performance (and price). But match performance and there's not enough memory to run the BGP. Prefer a supported vendor device rather than roll your own open source solution. Thanks Phil _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list [email protected] https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list [email protected] https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog --000000000000acb517058fa52de3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset= =3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Did the same exercise, the perpetual + = support, or yearly subscription path both cost more than vMX after a few ye= ars.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>MX150 is better value if your focused on cost= and don=E2=80=99t care about limitations like single PSU.=C2=A0</div><div>= <br></div><div>I have been advised that you may not get the performance adv= ertised on the data sheet for some protocols, IP forwarding being multi thr= ead / CPU core, but some L2/MPLS stuff is only single core, (haven=E2=80=99= t tested this personally), so can bottleneck. Likewise turning on stuff lik= e QOS is supposed to be quite resource intensive as no ASIC.=C2=A0<br><br><= div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr"><div>- -</div><div><br></div><div= >Liam Farr</div><div>+64-22-6107884</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone= </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 9/08/2019, at 12:57 PM, Tony Wicks <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>= <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= " content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta name=3D"Generator" content= =3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0 {mso-style-name:msonormal; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style= =3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Licence wise, the 150 stacks up very favour= ably. I know that is counter intuitive, but=E2=80=A6</span></p><p class=3D"= MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">=C2=A0</span></p><p c= lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">=C2=A0</span>= </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">=C2= =A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></= b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"= >[email protected]</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:nznog-bounces@l= ist.waikato.ac.nz">[email protected]</a>> <b>On Behalf Of= </b>Jesse Archer<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 9 August 2019 12:17 PM<br><b>To:<= /b> NZNOG Mailing-List <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">nzno= [email protected]</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [nznog] 2019 BGP router= recommendations</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><div><p class= =3D"MsoNormal">It's basically vMX running on a Juniper hardware box.</p= ><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Wo= uldn't it be more cost effective to just grab a vMX license?</p><div><d= iv><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p>=C2=A0</p><p><b><span style=3D"fon= t-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Jesse Archer<br></span></b><i><span = style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">General Manager<br></spa= n></i><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Full Flavour= </span></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><img= id=3D"_x0000_i1025" src=3D"http://fullflavour.co.nz/files/7814/0357/5893/f= ull-flavour.png"></span></p><p><b><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial&qu= ot;,sans-serif">p. </span></b><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",= sans-serif">07 577 0099 =C2=A0<b>ddi</b>. 07 281 1391</span><br><b><span st= yle=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">s</span></b><span style=3D= "font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">. Skype "myfullflavour"= ;<br><b>e</b>. <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b= lank">[email protected]</a><br><b>w</b>.=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.full= flavourmedia.co.nz/" target=3D"_blank">fullflavour.nz</a><br><b>a. </b>Base= station, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga<br><b>a</b>. PO Box 13403, Tauranga Ce= ntral, Tauranga 3141, New Zealand</span></p></div></div></div></div></div><= /div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div></div><p clas= s=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 9, 2= 019 at 12:16 PM Tony Wicks <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">tony@wic= ks.co.nz</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-le= ft:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-r= ight:0cm"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto= ;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">MX150 will handle a few full tables no problem= , now if it only had more than one power supply=E2=80=A6. It is a very attr= active price for what you get however.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m= so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"Ms= oNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><s= pan lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> <a href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">nznog-bounces-+wOGpAKf4ataa/[email protected]= ato.ac.nz</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targe= t=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>P= hil Snowdon<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 9 August 2019 11:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a= href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">nznog-+wOGpAKf4ataa/[email protected]= ato.ac.nz</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations</s= pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-= bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-= top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi All,</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNor= mal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p= ></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar= gin-bottom-alt:auto">Looking for some recommendations for BGP edge routers.= </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-= margin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style= =3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Have used Juniper d= evices for years, but interested to hear what else may be out there.=C2=A0 = Requirement is just to shift packets and multihome to a few upstream transi= t providers with full routing tables and several peering partners with more= limited route table sizes.=C2=A0 Traffic volumes in the gigs to low 10'= ;s of gigs.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-al= t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm= al" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I seem to = be getting into a situation where the high end boxes to cope with routing t= able sizes are overkill in terms of features and performance (and price).= =C2=A0 =C2=A0But match performance and there's not enough memory to run= the BGP.</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:= auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal= " style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Prefer a sup= ported vendor device rather than roll your own open source solution.</p></d= iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-= bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-m= argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p clas= s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto= ">Thanks</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:a= uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=C2=A0</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Phil</p></div= ></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">_________________________________= ______________<br>NZNOG mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= o.ac.nz" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br><a href=3D"https= ://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog" target=3D"_blank">https://lis= t.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog</a></p></blockquote></div></div></di= v></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>___________= ____________________________________</span><br><span>NZNOG mailing list</sp= an><br><span><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">NZNOG-+wOGpAKf4av/[email protected]= .ac.nz</a></span><br><span><a href=3D"https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/li= stinfo/nznog">https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog</a></span><= br></div></blockquote></div></body></html> --000000000000acb517058fa52de3-- --===============2040960864== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list [email protected] https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog --===============2040960864==--