Re: 2019 BGP router recommendations
Nathan Ward <[email protected]> Fri, 9 Aug 2019 14:43:08 +1200
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--===============0983315897== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9C5ECA60-D668-44FE-AC5B-823AB44628CF" --Apple-Mail=_9C5ECA60-D668-44FE-AC5B-823AB44628CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yep and also don=E2=80=99t do full tables :-) > On 9/08/2019, at 2:21 PM, Phil Snowdon <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Seems like the consensus is still pretty much Juniper is the preferred = vendor of choice. I was prepared to be enlightened into a world of = alternatives... >=20 > Thanks all. Must be almost beer'o'clock >=20 > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 13:35, Liam Farr <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Did the same exercise, the perpetual + support, or yearly subscription = path both cost more than vMX after a few years.=20 >=20 > MX150 is better value if your focused on cost and don=E2=80=99t care = about limitations like single PSU.=20 >=20 > I have been advised that you may not get the performance advertised on = the data sheet for some protocols, IP forwarding being multi thread / = CPU core, but some L2/MPLS stuff is only single core, (haven=E2=80=99t = tested this personally), so can bottleneck. Likewise turning on stuff = like QOS is supposed to be quite resource intensive as no ASIC.=20 >=20 > - - >=20 > Liam Farr > +64-22-6107884 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On 9/08/2019, at 12:57 PM, Tony Wicks <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >=20 >> Licence wise, the 150 stacks up very favourably. I know that is = counter intuitive, but=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> From: [email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]> = <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Jesse Archer >> Sent: Friday, 9 August 2019 12:17 PM >> To: NZNOG Mailing-List <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations >>=20 >> =20 >> It's basically vMX running on a Juniper hardware box. >>=20 >> =20 >> Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just grab a vMX license? >>=20 >> =20 >> Jesse Archer >> General Manager >> Full Flavour >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> p. 07 577 0099 ddi. 07 281 1391 >> s. Skype "myfullflavour" >> e. [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> w. fullflavour.nz <http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/> >> a. Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga >> a. PO Box 13403, Tauranga Central, Tauranga 3141, New Zealand >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:16 PM Tony Wicks <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>=20 >> MX150 will handle a few full tables no problem, now if it only had = more than one power supply=E2=80=A6. It is a very attractive price for = what you get however. >>=20 >> =20 >> From: [email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]> = <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Phil Snowdon >> Sent: Friday, 9 August 2019 11:17 AM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [nznog] 2019 BGP router recommendations >>=20 >> =20 >> Hi All, >>=20 >> =20 >> Looking for some recommendations for BGP edge routers. >>=20 >> =20 >> Have used Juniper devices for years, but interested to hear what else = may be out there. Requirement is just to shift packets and multihome to = a few upstream transit providers with full routing tables and several = peering partners with more limited route table sizes. Traffic volumes = in the gigs to low 10's of gigs. >>=20 >> =20 >> I seem to be getting into a situation where the high end boxes to = cope with routing table sizes are overkill in terms of features and = performance (and price). But match performance and there's not enough = memory to run the BGP. >>=20 >> =20 >> Prefer a supported vendor device rather than roll your own open = source solution. >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> =20 >> Phil >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> NZNOG mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog = <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog>_______________________= ________________________ >> NZNOG mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog = <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog = <https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog> > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog --Apple-Mail=_9C5ECA60-D668-44FE-AC5B-823AB44628CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Yep = and also don=E2=80=99t do full tables :-)<br class=3D""><div><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On = 9/08/2019, at 2:21 PM, Phil Snowdon <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"">Seems like the consensus is still pretty much Juniper is the = preferred vendor of choice. I was prepared to be enlightened into a = world of alternatives...<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Thanks all. Must be almost beer'o'clock</div></div><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 13:35, Liam Farr <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid = rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Did the = same exercise, the perpetual + support, or yearly subscription path both = cost more than vMX after a few years. <div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">MX150 is better value if your focused = on cost and don=E2=80=99t care about limitations like single = PSU. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I = have been advised that you may not get the performance advertised on the = data sheet for some protocols, IP forwarding being multi thread / CPU = core, but some L2/MPLS stuff is only single core, (haven=E2=80=99t = tested this personally), so can bottleneck. Likewise turning on stuff = like QOS is supposed to be quite resource intensive as no ASIC. <br = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div = id=3D"gmail-m_3424636149209143424AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">- -</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Liam Farr</div><div = class=3D"">+64-22-6107884</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Sent = from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On = 9/08/2019, at 12:57 PM, Tony Wicks <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"= target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail-m_3424636149209143424WordSection1"><p = class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"">Licence wise, the 150 stacks up = very favourably. I know that is counter intuitive, but=E2=80=A6</span></p>= <div class=3D""><span class=3D""> </span><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D""><span = class=3D""> </span><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div = class=3D""><span class=3D""> </span><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b = class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span = lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a> <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> <b class=3D"">On = Behalf Of </b>Jesse Archer<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Friday, = 9 August 2019 12:17 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> NZNOG = Mailing-List <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>><br = class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [nznog] 2019 BGP router = recommendations</span></p><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">It's basically vMX running on a Juniper hardware = box.</p><div class=3D""><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just grab a = vMX license?</p><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class=3D""><b class=3D""><span= style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class=3D"">Jesse Archer<br = class=3D""></span></b><i class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class=3D"">General Manager<br = class=3D""></span></i><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" = class=3D"">Full Flavour</span></p><p class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class=3D""><img = id=3D"gmail-m_3424636149209143424_x0000_i1025" = src=3D"http://fullflavour.co.nz/files/7814/0357/5893/full-flavour.png" = class=3D""></span></p><p class=3D""><b class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class=3D"">p. </span></b><span = style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class=3D"">07 577 0099 <b = class=3D"">ddi</b>. 07 281 1391</span><br class=3D""><b class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class=3D"">s</span></b><span = style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class=3D"">. Skype = "myfullflavour"<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">e</b>. <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><b = class=3D"">w</b>. <a href=3D"http://www.fullflavourmedia.co.nz/" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">fullflavour.nz</a><br class=3D""><b = class=3D"">a. </b>Basestation, 148 Durham Street, Tauranga<br = class=3D""><b class=3D"">a</b>. PO Box 13403, Tauranga Central, Tauranga = 3141, New = Zealand</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><d= iv class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div><div = class=3D""> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at = 12:16 PM Tony Wicks <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:</p></div><blockquote = style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:= 1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm = 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">MX150 will handle a few full tables no = problem, now if it only had more than one power supply=E2=80=A6. It is a = very attractive price for what you get however.</p><div = class=3D""> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p = class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" = class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a> <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> <b class=3D"">On = Behalf Of </b>Phil Snowdon<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Friday, = 9 August 2019 11:17 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><b = class=3D"">Subject:</b> [nznog] 2019 BGP router = recommendations</span></p><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi All,</p><div class=3D""><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">Looking for some recommendations for BGP edge = routers.</p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">Have used Juniper devices for years, but interested = to hear what else may be out there. Requirement is just to shift = packets and multihome to a few upstream transit providers with full = routing tables and several peering partners with more limited route = table sizes. Traffic volumes in the gigs to low 10's of = gigs.</p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">I seem to be getting into a situation where the high = end boxes to cope with routing table sizes are overkill in terms of = features and performance (and price). But match performance = and there's not enough memory to run the BGP.</p></div><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">Prefer a supported vendor device rather than roll = your own open source solution.</p></div><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""> <br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks</p></div><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div = class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Phil</p></div></div></div></div><p = class=3D"MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">NZNOG mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog</a></p></bloc= kquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span = class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br = class=3D""><span class=3D"">NZNOG mailing list</span><br class=3D""><span = class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a></span><br class=3D""><span = class=3D""><a href=3D"https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog</a></span><br= class=3D""></div></blockquote></div></div> _______________________________________________<br class=3D""> NZNOG mailing list<br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br class=3D""> <a href=3D"https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog</a><br = class=3D""> </blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br class=3D"">NZNOG = mailing list<br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br = class=3D"">https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog<br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_9C5ECA60-D668-44FE-AC5B-823AB44628CF-- --===============0983315897== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list [email protected] https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog --===============0983315897==--