Re: Overlegislation ----(Was ---Not sure if this news is real, or a spoof...

Something shocking caught my attention reading through this chain of exchanges. Thanks Sarabjit for bringing it over otherwise I would have not known about it. We do not act but we do read as much as possible.
But, before I comment on it, let me address some other points raised in this discussion  that seems to have become a concoction of many unlinked ideas.  I will then follow it up with some  rants on socialistic thought process to make a case that over-legislation is hurting ability of the Indian people to seek happiness.  My post is born out of belief that happiness is attained by actions taken out of free will.   Personal freedom is source of happiness and anything that curbs freedom of any kind almost always makes a person unhappy and  invites unpleasant response from a person whose freedom is curtailed.   A person is made unhappy when  forced to do something that s/he is unwilling to do...

A WORD of WARNING: Rest of my post may not be suitable for all readers. Please stop and delete if you are unsure if the following material is for you.


Much of what follows in my post will be an attack on the assumptions that  laws makes society safe, equal, risk free, morally sound, predictable. Religious  teachings  -- as that of  Gita that detaches  results from the actions,  as well has secular theories have argued that nothing is certain in this world, and any attempt to guarantee anything by making laws (and spending other peoples money)  always results in a unpleasant shock.  Only thing that can be said to be absolutely certain is the uncertainty. So, in India and elsewhere in the world, the bad things will still happen. People will kill people, women will be abused and assaulted sexually,  unborn babies will be killed in the name of women's rights (as it happens in US ) and by parents worried of another girl child ( as it happens in India).  Thousands years of lawmaking has  failed in giving us a certain  and predictable world.

Making laws on the top of existing laws, regulation, bureaucracy, regulatory authority, or spending program will not  make it any better.  So, let me share my views on some of the matter that came up for discussion here:

Teenage Pregnancies:  Yours truly, that is me, was born out of teenager. My mother was less than twenty at the time of my birth.  Early marriage was a norm when my parents married, but do not mistake my parents marriage for  a child marriage.  My mother said a long time ago, if you marry early, you will have children early, and you will be able to raise your children while you are still working, healthy, mentally alert, and physically fit.  If you marry late, that seems to becoming more common these days because of economic reasons, you will have to worry about your still small children when you are past over the peak of your life and entering into retirement. Anyway, demographics and population theory aside,  making laws in India against child marriage was mistake for two reasons. First of all it is not business of government to tell a person when to marry. A person should be free to decide when to marry. Second, There is nothing un-biological about teen pregnancies.  Actually, congenital problems are more likely in babies when mother is over 30.    

Just out of curiosity, I checked what is position of American legal system on child marriages. I found that  all states all of them allow child marriage with  parental consent required in some states. My curiosity did not stop there.  I can go into more details later but from the point of the view that we are discussing in this thread, it will be sufficient to stick to the point that fundamentally and biologically there is nothing wrong with the  teen pregnancies. Only the pregnancies that happen happen outside a marriage or  parental consent are bad for both mother and the child.  That will almost always result in the child being denied the utmost parental care. Or being labeled as illegitimate child for the rest of the life.  Not a easy burden to carry, either for the person or for the society.

So, it looks to me that the petitioner requesting ban on port is concern about the pregnancies outside a marriage. I will consider it as a valid concern that needs some attention.

I am not sure  banning porn will stop girls from getting pregnant before twenties. Sexual consciousness of a person arises from the hormonal and biological changes that happen inside the body and the mind.  External factors, like access to sexually explicit text, images, or videos are only the reminder of that sexuality.  Look animals around you, like dogs, bulls, cows, or cats, they do not watch  sexually explicit material yet they are active in open.


So, to attack the problem that petitioner is trying to address -- the pregnancies outside marriage-- we should decriminalize child marriage and let parents be their own judge on what is an appropriate time for their children to get marriage. Population control,  sterilization (Nasbandi in Hindi, a program started by Indira Gandhi in mid seventies that met a fierce public opposition.) , Eugenics, Euthanasia etc are product of socialistic thinking,  particularly like National Socialist Program in force during NAZI Germany,   driven by a notion of making a pure race of equal people etc.   I will leave it up to readers to use their research skills  to  get some more information on words like Eugenics and Euthanasia.  

Anyway,  I will end this with note that I cannot see how banning internet and curbing other people's freedom of speech will reduce pregnancies outside the marriage.  


Media Ownership:












Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:57:34 +0530
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [india-gii] Not sure if this news is real, or a spoof...

We haven't seen GII (as a group) in action for quite some time :-(

For examples of engagement.

"IAC submissions to TRAI on Media Ownership"


"IAC submission to Verma committee"

"IAC demands prosecution of "electricity thief" Arvind Kejriwal (Aam Aadmi Party)"

DERC special hearing on Kejriwal electricity theft issue.
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Manu Awasthi <[email protected]> wrote:

Does India-Gii wish to engage ?? CAN India-Gii engage ?




If people have been involved in such engagements before, I would very much like to know how to proceed. 
Thanks!

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Sarbajit Roy <[email protected]> wrote:


There was a public notice today in some leading newspapers from Rajya Sabha.

Persons watching cyber porn will be severely published. Law being put

in place, objections/suggestions are invited from public to Amend IT

Act.



http://164.100.47.5/newcommittee/press_release/Press/Committee%20on%20Petitions/Cyber.pdf



Does India-Gii wish to engage ?? CAN India-Gii engage ?



On 7/11/13, Srini RamaKrishnan <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'd like to remind the list that the honorable minister insisted not

> too long back that every Facebook and Orkut post and youtube video had

> to be reviewed by a FB / Google employee before posting it to the web

> to produce a safer web.

>

> He is a crusader par excellence for the safety of the web; his record

> speaks volumes for how safe he has made the web. Without his earnest

> efforts the web would have been a hive of filth and immorality.

>

>

>

>



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