Re: Resignation of Suresh Ramasubramanian and Udhay Shankar from the india-gii moderator role

If I may, i would urge all such discussions to be held among those making those decisions and inform the list about the final call in a brief summary and without burdening all list members with the challenges of dealing with it.
May be this is not the right occasion, the level of invectives and personal attacks and slandering that I have seen on this list has been exceptional. That must give room for any conversation with "cool" tempers, no personal attacks, a style to state once points without disrespecting others etc..
Its not clear what  Arun's "not tolerated" means.. Does it mean he will have a right to sermonize? No sermons should be needed. Those who cannot stick to the norm of respecting fellow participants, must go seek a forum where they may.

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From: Kiritkumar Lathia <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [india-gii] Resignation of Suresh Ramasubramanian and Udhay Shankar from the india-gii moderator role
To: Arun Mehta <[email protected]>
Cc: india-gii <[email protected]>, sarbajit roy <[email protected]>, Vickram Crishna <[email protected]>



 
 
  
   
    Dear Arun,
    

    

    

   
   
    This is a sad day indeed for india-gii list.
    

    

   
   
    Arun (and all), may I suggest that there a one week "time-out" and during this period, please look at the emails on two recent threads where both the times there has been very personal and abusive statements, including calling into question person's integrity. There had been "moderation" voiced in both the threads but to no apparent effect. Attacks continued from one thread to the next with innuendos, etc. that did not stop.
    

    

   
   
    Arun, India is a democratic country and under the previous and current PMs has turned from ideological socialism where anything associated with finance (read capitalism) is evil to a market driven economy where the current PM is actively seeking FDI with the "Make In India" and "Digital India" initiatives - both of them heavily impact "Telecom and Internet" because I had mentioned in one of the threads ICT is now very  pervasive in all sectors - think of all the "smart" factories, transport, cities, payments, shopping, etc. etc.
    

    

   
   
    Arun, with 5G, there will be another big technology shift with mobile e-health, driverless cars, etc. etc. These will be important subjects to discuss and go well beyond today's telecom/Internet with most traffic generated by "machines" and not human beings.
    

    

   
   
    In this scenario, the last two threads showed a very disquieting level of abuse. I really felt very uneasy about the level of insults.
    

    

   
   
    Arun, I do not wish to get involved in the reasons for or against "suspension" of a person but some actions were needed and I would recommend that serious discussions are held by the 
    all moderators (incl. ex-moderators) to define better what is needed to make this list a successful platform for reasoned debates.
    

    

   
   
    Arun, I do hope there is a "time-out" and this is used for cooler discussions. If necessary, we could discuss on this list but then Sarbajit has to be in the list so that he can defend himself or explain his motivations for such incredible levels of abuse - we all are citizens (or children) of India and we need to be in 21st century with proper realism of how the interconnected world operates.
    

    
Arun, I suggest that there is re-instaements of resigned moderators PLUS apologies from the person who has insulted a lot of people on this list.
    

    

   
   
    With best wishes,
    

   
   
    Kirit
    

   
   
    

    

   
   
    

    

   
  
  
   

   
    On 18 May 2015 at 10:03, Arun Mehta 
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    

    
     
      On india-gii, I do not recall us ever asking anyone to leave. Part of moderation is to cool tempers down, so that it is not necessary.
      
       

      
      
       In any case, a decision of this magnitude should never have been taken without consulting all the moderators. 
      
      
       

      
      
       Sarbajit, please feel free to rejoin the list. 
      
      
       

      
      
       Please note, everyone, that we will not tolerate rudeness, nor making any discussion personal. You may criticize an opinion, but not the person holding the opinion. Please also keep in mind our mandate, discussing India's telecom and Internet woes, and avoid off-topic comments.
      
      
       

      
      
       Warmly,
      
      
       Arun Mehta
      
      
       

      
      
       

      
     
     
      
       
        

        
         On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
         <[email protected]> wrote:
         

         
          Friends,
          
 
          
 Udhay and I are, effective immediately, stepping down as moderators of the india-gii mailing list.
          
 
          
 The recent suspension of Sarabjit Roy from the list for what we both believe to be valid reasons has not met with agreement from the other moderators - who are now considering reinstating him with a warning.
          
 
          
 In Udhay’s and my views though, the case warranted removal of Mr.Roy from the list and that is the action we took.
          
 
          
 If you have any concerns with, or alternatively, if you support, Mr.Roy being reinstated to the mailing list, please feel free to - as you prefer -
          
 
          
 1. Reply to the mailing list
          
 
          
 or
          
 
          
 2. Communicate privately with the current india-gii moderators Arun Mehta and Vickram Crishna
          
 
          
 It has been an interesting 15+ years helping to moderate this list.
          
 
          
 However, given the circumstances, Udhay and I will continue to host the list but will not participate in it further either as moderators, or as members.
          
 
          
 regards
          
 
          - Suresh Ramasubramanian
 - Udhay Shankar
         
        
        

        
      
     
     
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