Re: Resignation of Suresh Ramasubramanian and Udhay Shankar from the india-gii moderator role

Hi Vickram,

So essentially this is what you're saying:

1. Sarabjit - or anyone else - can continue to offend and be boorish to any
members on the list at will

2. No apology has been asked for, from Sarabjit. None will be demanded,
from him. No warning was given.

3. No promise of future good behaviour was asked for. "It might be nice to
have him say a few things on these lines" as you say, but it will not be a
pre-condition for his reinstatement.

4. You have reinstated Sarabjit, and over-ruled two oher moderators in the
process, with no logic for the same.

5. The same can happen in the future again, and it's ok.

4. IAlso, in the future, you can take whatever decision you like about
keeping or removing or bringing back any member, for any reason whatsoever,
with no logic given for either.

Do correct me if I understood you incorrectly.


Mahesh
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On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Vickram Crishna <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> On 18 May 2015 13:55, "Mahesh Murthy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I do not see a single statement of remorse from Sarabjit, nor a
> statement that he will not repeat his bad behaviour.
> >
>
> Nor has he been asked for one, at least not by me.
>
> > On what basis has he been re-instated?
>
> The current moderation crisis (since we have arrived at a point of
> inflexion, otherwise we're all pretty good pals, and have actually all met
> each other at one point or other of our lives, no mean feat) is not about
> his behaviour, it is about moderator actions and consensus. A decision
> taken has been reversed, with no prejudice to an action of this nature
> being deemed necessary in the future.
>
> However, since it has been mentioned, a word or two of regret for rude
> unwarranted allegations and inflammatory language might be considered most
> welcome, not by Mahesh alone, who was at the receiving end of some of it,
> but by all of us who had to suffer the embarrassment of watching a member
> vomit insinuations loosely at others without provocation.
>
> There was an apology of sorts, for phoning Nikhil at home one night, which
> I don't count as it did not concern action or words onlist.
>
> > ᐧ
> >
> > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Arun Mehta <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On india-gii, I do not recall us ever asking anyone to leave. Part of
> moderation is to cool tempers down, so that it is not necessary.
> >>
> >> In any case, a decision of this magnitude should never have been taken
> without consulting all the moderators.
> >>
> >> Sarbajit, please feel free to rejoin the list.
> >>
> >> Please note, everyone, that we will not tolerate rudeness, nor making
> any discussion personal. You may criticize an opinion, but not the person
> holding the opinion. Please also keep in mind our mandate, discussing
> India's telecom and Internet woes, and avoid off-topic comments.
> >>
> >> Warmly,
> >> Arun Mehta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Friends,
> >>>
> >>> Udhay and I are, effective immediately, stepping down as moderators of
> the india-gii mailing list.
> >>>
> >>> The recent suspension of Sarabjit Roy from the list for what we both
> believe to be valid reasons has not met with agreement from the other
> moderators - who are now considering reinstating him with a warning.
> >>>
> >>> In Udhay’s and my views though, the case warranted removal of Mr.Roy
> from the list and that is the action we took.
> >>>
> >>> If you have any concerns with, or alternatively, if you support,
> Mr.Roy being reinstated to the mailing list, please feel free to - as you
> prefer -
> >>>
> >>> 1. Reply to the mailing list
> >>>
> >>> or
> >>>
> >>> 2. Communicate privately with the current india-gii moderators Arun
> Mehta and Vickram Crishna
> >>>
> >>> It has been an interesting 15+ years helping to moderate this list.
> >>>
> >>> However, given the circumstances, Udhay and I will continue to host
> the list but will not participate in it further either as moderators, or as
> members.
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>> - Suresh Ramasubramanian
> >>> - Udhay Shankar
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
>

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