Re: Indian censorship of porn now stupider
ken <[email protected]> Sat, 08 Aug 2015 05:57:51 -0400
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Thaths (et al), Until this comment, I was looking forward to ignoring this topic but since you seem bent and determined, I am reluctantly addressing your demands. "A ban on Internet pornography in India could mean a hit of as much as 30-70% of data browsing revenues for India’s communications services providers, analysts and experts say. “Through our discussions with the various Internet Service Providers (ISPs), we have been able to estimate that as much as 30-70% of the total browsing in the country is related to pornography,” a senior executive at an Internet industry body said. “It’s very difficult to be any more specific than that since putting together a data packet specific inspection of what users are browsing could be seen as a breach of privacy,” added this person who asked not to be identified." http://www.livemint.com/Industry/VhuXq3jfADn2CrhK8nJ7pL/Oops-Indian-ISPs-telcos-could-lose-3070-of-data-revenue.html "...in the past, been considered taboo even among the upwardly mobile urban populace, 60% of Indian online traffic is pornography related. Recent stats released by an adult website PornHub show that 30% of the Indian visitors on their site are women, 6% higher than the global average of women visitors." http://www.hindustantimes.com/sexandrelationships/why-indian-women-watch-porn/article1-1376205.aspx "India – the world’s second largest country by population, second largest by mobile users <http://dazeinfo.com/2014/11/19/growth-internet-telecom-users-india-q2-2014-disappoints/>, third largest by Internet population, and second largest by Facebook users <http://dazeinfo.com/2014/01/07/facebook-inc-fb-india-demographic-users-2014/> – has got a new feather in the cap. But, this time it may not be – or may be, for many – celebrated as a moment of proud. *India is rated at fifth-position in the list of countries having most prolific consumers of internet pornography*. Surprisingly, in a country where smartphone penetration (population) is mere 10%, *nearly 50% of porn content consumers in India use their smartphones to access online pornographic*." http://dazeinfo.com/2014/11/22/online-porn-content-consumption-india-smartphone-study/ As an aside, had you politely asked for this data, I can assure you that several people would have worked to fulfill your request. Conversely, demanding that someone do your research for you, as you have done more than once this in this discussion, is really the wrong way to interact with this group, based on my experience. So, now that you have this date, including URLs for you to do further reading, can we expect a change in your argument and possibly an apology? Dispassionately yours, Ken DiPietro Cumberland MD On 08/08/2015 02:56 AM, Thaths wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:48 PM Banibrata Dutta > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Thaths <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:33 AM Kiritkumar Lathia > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > it would appropriate in this forum to observe that DoT has > not acted in an appropriate manner and passing the buck to > ISP does not work - as the title of this thread indicates. > > > That is NOT the argument Banibrata was making. He is > insinuating that there is a dark nexus of people who are set > against implementing the DoT orders because of financial > interests. I want to ask him to substantiate this claim that > there is money to be made from producing and distributing porn > in India and that this is actually happening. > > > "Insinuating" is a rather strong word, for a statement beginning > with "perhaps", don't you think ? "Nexus", again, a rather strong > word. > > > So you are saying that you were not insinuating but speculating. Was > your speculation idle? Or are there any facts behind the speculation? > If so, what are they? > > I'll hold back on further responses till I see the data. > > Thaths > > > ISP's don't need to make money directly from specific content > industry based on their value-add. If porn is one of the most > popular content, it is automatically a very important contributor > to ISP's bread-n-butter revenue. I don't think I need to explain why. > > As Suresh and Atanu have pointed out, India is a very price > sensitive, and repressed ("what if my parents, significant > other find out that I pay for Suicide Girls?") market. And > giving out credit card numbers online is not a widespread > practice. > > > Not sure what "price sensitivity' has to do with this ! Content > (including porn) has a lot to do with discoverability. Content > being available out there, but not easy to discover, for target > audience, is dead-weight. Shampoo sachet pricing for 30s of > titillation at Rs.5-6, made discoverable by WAP-push channel on > most phones. You and me, are not the target customer for this channel. > > If I were ISP, I would continue to block all identified > sites to avoid legal problems , as it is totally > impossible to ensure that there is no child porn. > > > Right. Let's also burn some libraries because some books in > the library are unpalatable. > > > Kirit is talking about the technical infeasibility (or extreme > difficulty) of filtering out child porn with 100% certainty. ISP > is only safeguarding it's interest by being extra cautious. Take > Atanu's example of free porn on tumblr. Today, you search for > "free porn tumbler" you may get 10 odd sites, tomorrow that may be > 12 - of which 4 might be new, with 2 older ones having been > shutdown. If such sites could mushroom at anytime, why would any > ISP take their chances with the tumblr.com <http://tumblr.com> > domain. This isn't similar to burning the library, but banning a > publisher. There is collateral damage, sure. > > > Thaths > > This is something this group can propose or lobby as > "independent" group ( assuming no one has financial > interests in ISPs and/or pornography > > On Aug 6, 2015 11:11 PM, "Thaths" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:31 AM Banibrata Dutta > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > At one of the 2011 (if I am not mistaken) Nasscom > Product Conclave, held in Bangalore, I remember > Vishal Gondal had challenged the VP Engineering > (search engine / overall don't remember), as part > of a panel discussion, saying that the biggest > share of search and of internet traffic from > India, at night, is porn (& games -- of course, > the speaker being Vishal). > > If that is indeed true, and continues to be -- > there may be more than "implementability" of the > order, responsible for not wishing to implement. > Porn, is one of the biggest internet-based > industries in terms of revenue, challenged only by > ecommerce. > > > Please cite your source. How much money is paid by > internet porn consumers in India? Who is being paid? > How much? And your sources for all these claims. > > Thaths > > _______________________________________________ > India-gii mailing list > India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] > <mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> > https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii > > > > > -- > regards, > Banibrata > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta > http://twitter.com/edgeliving > > > > _______________________________________________ > India-gii mailing list > India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] > https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii _______________________________________________ India-gii mailing list India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii