Re: Indian censorship of porn now stupider

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:48 PM Banibrata Dutta <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Thaths <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:33 AM Kiritkumar Lathia <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
> it would appropriate in this forum to observe that DoT has not acted in an
>>> appropriate manner and passing the buck to ISP does not work - as the title
>>> of this thread indicates.
>>>
>>
>> That is NOT the argument Banibrata was making. He is insinuating that
>> there is a dark nexus of people who are set against implementing the DoT
>> orders because of financial interests. I want to ask him to substantiate
>> this claim that there is money to be made from producing and distributing
>> porn in India and that this is actually happening.
>>
>
> "Insinuating" is a rather strong word, for a statement beginning with
> "perhaps", don't you think ? "Nexus", again, a rather strong word.
>

So you are saying that you were not insinuating but speculating. Was your
speculation idle? Or are there any facts behind the speculation? If so,
what are they?

I'll hold back on further responses till I see the data.

Thaths



>
> ISP's don't need to make money directly from specific content industry
> based on their value-add. If porn is one of the most popular content, it is
> automatically a very important contributor to ISP's bread-n-butter revenue.
> I don't think I need to explain why.
>
> As Suresh and Atanu have pointed out, India is a very price sensitive, and
>> repressed ("what if my parents, significant other find out that I pay for
>> Suicide Girls?") market. And giving out credit card numbers online is not a
>> widespread practice.
>>
>
> Not sure what "price sensitivity' has to do with this !  Content
> (including porn) has a lot to do with discoverability. Content being
> available out there, but not easy to discover, for target audience, is
> dead-weight. Shampoo sachet pricing for 30s of titillation at Rs.5-6, made
> discoverable by WAP-push channel on most phones. You and me, are not the
> target customer for this channel.
>
>
>> If I were ISP, I would continue to block all identified sites to avoid
>>> legal problems , as it is totally impossible to ensure that there is no
>>> child porn.
>>>
>>
>> Right. Let's also burn some libraries because some books in the library
>> are unpalatable.
>>
>
> Kirit is talking about the technical infeasibility (or extreme difficulty)
> of filtering out child porn with 100% certainty. ISP is only safeguarding
> it's interest by being extra cautious. Take Atanu's example of free porn on
> tumblr. Today, you search for "free porn tumbler" you may get 10 odd sites,
> tomorrow that may be 12 - of which 4 might be new, with 2 older ones having
> been shutdown. If such sites could mushroom at anytime, why would any ISP
> take their chances with the tumblr.com domain. This isn't similar to
> burning the library, but banning a publisher. There is collateral damage,
> sure.
>
>
>>
>> Thaths
>>
>>
>>
>>> This is something this group can propose or lobby as "independent" group
>>> ( assuming no one has financial interests in ISPs and/or pornography
>>> On Aug 6, 2015 11:11 PM, "Thaths" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:31 AM Banibrata Dutta <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At one of the 2011 (if I am not mistaken) Nasscom Product Conclave,
>>>>> held in Bangalore, I remember Vishal Gondal had challenged the VP
>>>>> Engineering (search engine / overall don't remember), as part of a panel
>>>>> discussion, saying that the biggest share of search and of internet traffic
>>>>> from India, at night, is porn (& games -- of course, the speaker being
>>>>> Vishal).
>>>>>
>>>>> If that is indeed true, and continues to be -- there may be more than
>>>>> "implementability" of the order, responsible for not wishing to implement.
>>>>> Porn, is one of the biggest internet-based industries in terms of revenue,
>>>>> challenged only by ecommerce.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please cite your source. How much money is paid by internet porn
>>>> consumers in India? Who is being paid? How much? And your sources for all
>>>> these claims.
>>>>
>>>> Thaths
>>>>
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>
>
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