Re: your opinion of 4G? The Cook visit?
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--===============1029834626856439058== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050405020101030904030205" --------------050405020101030904030205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The user experience described here matches that of my own during last=20 India visit (Feb 2015 in places like Delhi=2C Chandigarh and Patna). I=20 took my iphone (5s 3 years old tech) to India and got a sim (airtel=20 with 4G or 3G=2C cannot recall which one) in two days after providing=20 three set of pictures and filling out a form. Indian Telecom Service is really bad=2C if any one uses phrase world-class= =20 for such a service=2C s/he should be paid from tax payers money to travel=20 across world to experience what the phrase "world-class" should actually=20 mean. Basically=2C India has fallen into a poverty trap. I doubt it ever has=20 been out of one for last 200 hundred years or so. It is clear that=20 Indian economy is not creating capital (and good ideas) enough to=20 upgrade infrastructure (like roads=2C airports =2C telecom=2C electricity= =2C=20 railway etc) as it seems caught between consumers who cannot afford=20 (because they cannot earn enough due to lack of good opportunities or do=20 not want to pay enough=2C encouraged by politicians who promise everything= =20 to all for free) and providers who cannot service at loss. And=20 government holds leviathan like control on markets making any virtuous=20 move impossible. Rampant inflation to allow government to borrow and=20 pay ridiculous salaries to government employees and fund populous vote=20 gathering wasteful programs has been killing value of Rupee since I can=20 recall. A piece of samosa that cost 50 paise in 1990s costs about 20=20 times more these days. Why would be there some motivation to work hard=20 and save in cash (in rupee) that loose half or more of its value every =20 next 10 years. All most all technology in India is imported. The technical education is=20 a big scam. In 2004=2C when AB Vajpayee was PM=2C realizing the scam that= =20 education ( particularly technical education) has become=2C he made an=20 start to privatize IITs (The Indian Institutes of Thuggery) and some=20 successful Indians from Silicon Valley likes Kanwal Rekhi (an IIT Kanpur=20 alumni) were part of team to study the process. The technical education=20 scam has since only grown. We spends crores of rupee on feeding=20 teachers and students at these IITS to get nothing of value in return. =20 Most of them who teach at these IITs are incompetent=2C no more capable=20 than some kind of glorified primary teachers=2C who=2C to keep themselves= =20 relevant=2C write letters in support of net neutrality. How is=20 net-nutrality working out=2C BTW? Indian tax payers are the net losers. =20 The last most flamboyant scam was an scheme to provide $50 tablets=20 produced by Indian Institutes of Thuggery in Rajasthan. World has moved=20 far beyond that since then. The present administration seems to have turned back from what I would=20 expect from a right leaning regime and is doubling down on same policies=20 that took Indian down at the first place. As if India is falling=20 behind due to not having enough IITs=2C this government is creating these= =20 white elephants now pretty much in every district along with its hybrid=20 cousin (some kind of central university). Are central universities=20 teaching better than state universities? Clearly the Indian and its technical education through myriad of=20 taxpayer funded overrated institutions has reduced to nothing but a big=20 scan to get taxpayers money from one group of people to another. At the end of day=2C nothing can be more shameful for a country than to=20 see Phd and Master degree holders apply for a sweepers job in thousands=20 at Mumbai Municipal corporation. Sincerely=2C Ratnendra Pandey On 5/22/2016 11:00 PM=2C Akshay Mishra wrote: > If I am standing very still without wind I am using POTS and WiFi on=20 > ADSL. > > the 2.3GHz band is bad. I was of the opinion that the telcos gamed the=20 > government for the BWA auctions but slowing I am of the opinion that=20 > the BWA sale favored the government then and not the Jios. The juice=20 > went to the gormint. > > On 23 May 2016 at 11:24=2C Sajan Venniyoor <[email protected]=20 > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On 23 May 2016 at 10:55=2C Arun Mehta <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Those who already have migrated to 4g=2C do you really see a > "profound" difference? > > > I use 4G on Airtel=2C and it is profoundly unsettling to see the > signal cycle from 4G to H (for HSDPA=2C I assume) to E (Edge) to > nothing down one stretch of a five km road in central Delhi. It's > much worse in the boondocks. > > If you stand very still below a mobile tower and if the prevailing > wind is just right=2C 4G works quite well in parts of Delhi. > > Sajan > > On 23 May 2016 at 10:55=2C Arun Mehta <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > from > http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/= apple-ceo-tim-cook-india-interview-iphone-hack-certified-pre-owned-manufact= uring-2811146/#sthash.OsPMqkAh.dpuf > which is an interview with Tim Cook. > > *You have said how 4G > <http://indianexpress.com/tag/4g/> is going to be a big > trigger for a market like India. But most of the country > is still is 2G and other half pay for 3G but get 2G? How > important is good network to get the best out of services > like that of Apple=92s?* > > Yah=2C I think that is where we are today. The level of > things you can do are not brought to life fully because of > the level of infrastructure here. This week I have seen > some very bold plans on 4G and a lot of commitment to it. > I think there is going to be a fairly rapid change. It is > not going to happen tomorrow and there is a journey there=2C > but I see the seeds already planted and we are going to > grow very fast over the next several months. My own > observation is that video is more important to the Indian > consumer=2C and yet they are held back from enjoying it > because of the network. I do think that 4G will have a > profound effect=2C I am not talking about evolutionary=2C but > it will be profound. It will be great to see that happen. > > > > It must be hard for the telcos to manage data and voice in 2g=2C > 3g and 4g. They do seem to be trying to get people to move to > 4g. Those who already have migrated to 4g=2C do you really see a > "profound" difference? > > Arun Mehta > > _______________________________________________ > India-gii mailing list > India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] > <mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> > https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii > > > > _______________________________________________ > India-gii mailing list > India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] <mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> > https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii > > > > > _______________________________________________ > India-gii mailing list > India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] > https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii --------------050405020101030904030205 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html=3B charset=3Dwindows-1252" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> The user experience described here matches that of=A0 my own during last India visit (Feb 2015 in places like Delhi=2C Chandigarh and Patna).=A0 I took my iphone (5s 3 years old tech)=A0 to India and=A0 go= t a sim (airtel with 4G or 3G=2C cannot recall which one) in two days after providing three set of pictures and filling out a=A0 form. <br> <br> Indian Telecom Service is really bad=2C if any one uses phrase world-class for such a service=2C s/he should be paid from tax payers money to travel across world to experience what the phrase "world-class" should actually mean.<br> <br> Basically=2C India has fallen into a poverty trap.=A0 I doubt it ever has been out of one for last 200 hundred years or so. It is clear that Indian economy is not creating capital (and good ideas) enough to upgrade infrastructure (like roads=2C airports =2C telecom=2C=A0 electricity=2C railway etc) as it seems caught between consumers who cannot afford (because they cannot earn enough due to lack of good opportunities or do not want to pay enough=2C encouraged by politicians who promise everything to all for free) and providers who cannot service at loss. And government holds=A0 leviathan like control on markets making any virtuous move impossible. =A0 Rampant inflation to allow government to borrow and pay ridiculous salaries to government employees and fund populous vote gathering wasteful programs=A0 has been killing value of Rupee since I can recall. A piece of samosa that cost 50 paise in 1990s costs about 20 times more these days.=A0 Why would be there some motivation to=A0 work hard and save in cash (in rupee) that=A0 loose half or more of its value every=A0 next 10 years.=A0 <br> <br> All most all technology in India is imported. The technical education is a big scam.=A0 In 2004=2C when AB Vajpayee was PM=2C=A0 realizing the scam that education ( particularly technical education)=A0 has become=2C he made an start to privatize=A0 IITs (The Indian Institutes of Thuggery) and some successful Indians from Silicon Valley likes Kanwal Rekhi (an IIT Kanpur alumni) were part of team to study the process. The technical education scam has since only grown. We spends crores of rupee on feeding teachers=A0 and students at these IITS to get nothing of value in return.=A0 Most of them who teach at these=A0 IITs are incompetent=2C no more capable than some=A0 kind of glorified primary teachers=2C=A0 who=2C to keep themsel= ves relevant=2C write letters in support of net neutrality. How is net-nutrality=A0 working out=2C BTW? Indian tax payers are the net losers.=A0 The last most flamboyant scam was an scheme to provide $50 tablets produced by Indian Institutes of Thuggery in Rajasthan. World has moved far beyond that since then.<br> <br> <br> The present administration seems to have turned back from what I would expect from a right leaning regime and is doubling down on same policies that took Indian down at the first place.=A0=A0 As if India is falling behind due to not having enough=A0 IITs=2C this government is creating these white elephants now pretty much in every district along with its hybrid cousin (some kind of central university). Are central universities teaching better than state universities?=A0 <br> <br> Clearly=A0 the Indian and its technical education through myriad of taxpayer funded overrated institutions has reduced to nothing but a big scan to get taxpayers money from one group of people to another.<br= > <br> <br> At the end of day=2C nothing can be more shameful for a country than=A0 to see Phd and Master degree holders apply for a sweepers job in thousands at Mumbai Municipal corporation. <br> <br> <br> Sincerely=2C<br> Ratnendra Pandey<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 5/22/2016 11:00 PM=2C Akshay Mishra wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:CABSY_ZtDb=3D0nG_E4YKhpn1WrKRneisGNi-RFd19EBq-xp4t3gg-JsoAwUIsXov1KXRcyAk9cg@public.gmane.org= l.com" type=3D"cite"> <meta http-equiv=3D"Context-Type" content=3D"text/html=3B charset=3DU= TF-8"> <div dir=3D"ltr">If I am standing very still without wind I am using POTS and WiFi on ADSL.=A0 <div><br> </div> <div>the 2.3GHz band is bad. I was of the opinion that the telcos gamed the government for the BWA auctions but slowing I am of the opinion that the BWA sale favored the =A0government then and not the Jios. The juice went to the gormint.</div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 May 2016 at 11:24=2C Sajan Venniyoor <span dir=3D"ltr"><=3B<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">venniyo= [email protected]</a>>=3B</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"">On 23 May 2016 at 10:55=2C Ar= un Mehta=A0<span dir=3D"ltr"><=3B<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">= [email protected]</a>>=3B</span>=A0wrote: <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Those who already have migrated to 4g=2C do you really see a "profound" difference?</div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> </span> <div>I use 4G on Airtel=2C and it is profoundly unsettling to see the signal cycle from 4G to H (for HSDPA=2C I assume) to E (Edge) to nothing down one stretch of a five km road in central Delhi. It's much worse in the boondocks.=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>If you stand very still below a mobile tower and if the prevailing wind is just right=2C 4G works quite well in parts of Delhi.=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Sajan</div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div> <div class=3D"h5">On 23 May 2016 at 10:55=2C Arun Mehta <span dir=3D"ltr"><=3B<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>=3B<= /span> wrote:<br> </div> </div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div> <div class=3D"h5"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>from=A0<span>=A0<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/ap= ple-ceo-tim-cook-india-interview-iphone-hack-certified-pre-owned-manufactur= ing-2811146/#sthash.OsPMqkAh.dpuf" target=3D"_blank">http://indianexpress.com/= article/technology/tech-news-technology/apple-ceo-tim-cook-india-interview-= iphone-hack-certified-pre-owned-manufacturing-2811146/#sthash.OsPMqkAh.dpuf= </a> which is an interview with Tim Cook.</span></= div> <div>=A0=A0</div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"> <p><strong>You have said how=A0<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://indianexpress.com/tag/4g/" target=3D"_blank">4G</a>=A0is going to be a big trigger for a market like India. But most of the country is still is 2G and other half pay for 3G but get 2G? How important is good network to get the best out of services like that of Apple=92s?</strong></p> <p>Yah=2C I think that is where we are today. The level of things you can do are not brought to life fully because of the level of infrastructure here. This week I have seen some very bold plans on 4G and a lot of commitment to it. I think there is going to be a fairly rapid change. It is not going to happen tomorrow and there is a journey there=2C but I see the seeds already planted and we are going to grow very fast over the next several months. My own observation is that video is more important to the Indian consumer=2C and yet they are held back from enjoying it because of the network. I do think that 4G will have a profound effect=2C I am not talking about evolutionary=2C but it will be profound. It will be great to see that happen.</p> <br> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>It must be hard for the telcos to manage data and voice in 2g=2C 3g and 4g. They do seem to be trying to get people to move to 4g. Those who already have migrated to 4g=2C do you really see a "profound" difference?</div= > <span> <div><br> </div> <div>Arun Mehta=A0</div> </span></div> <br> </div> </div> _______________________________________________<br> India-gii mailing list<br> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]</a><b= r> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/= india-gii" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.in= dia-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii</a><br> <br> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> <br> _______________________________________________<br> India-gii mailing list<br> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]">India-gii@lists= .india-gii.org</a><br> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gi= i" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.india-gii.= org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii</a><br> <br> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> <br> <fieldset class=3D"mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre wrap=3D"">_______________________________________________ India-gii mailing list <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWNPpwUc/[email protected]= gii.org">India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mail= man/listinfo/india-gii">https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-= gii</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------050405020101030904030205-- --===============1029834626856439058== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ India-gii mailing list India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii --===============1029834626856439058==--