Re: is automation as big as they say?
Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> Thu, 6 Apr 2017 17:04:04 +0000
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--===============6564185702779586966== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BY2PR01MB1888B82A3CCB9B3C49A8756C80D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_" --_000_BY2PR01MB1888B82A3CCB9B3C49A8756C80D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vickram, The term Luddite does indicate some kind to hatred towards replacement of = human labor with machinery and automation. The Luddites earned their name and fame in early days after by actually sma= shing machine to show their protest. He truly was a machine slayer or machine breaker, if you will. I do not see how yo= u can say he loved (or, at least, accepted) machines but hated the manner the machines were introduced. Details in the link below about who were the Luddites. http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-luddites That said, I agree with you that there are some genuine concerns with machi= nes taking over some work from humans. I described it in some detail in my very first post. But, I really do not know what we can do about it except to embrace the ch= ange. Sincerely, Ratnendra Pandey <http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-luddites> [http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2015/08/ask-luddites-british-museum-AN00126= 245_001_l-E.jpeg]<http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-ludd= ites> Who were the Luddites? - Ask History<http://www.history.com/news/ask-histor= y/who-were-the-luddites> www.history.com Article Details: Who were the Luddites? Author. Evan Andrews. Website Name.= History.com. Year Published. 2015. Title. Who were the Luddites? URL. http= ://www.history ... ________________________________ From: India-gii <india-gii-bounces+pandey=3Dhotmail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]= > on behalf of Vickram Crishna <v1clist-/[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:35 AM To: India-gii Subject: Re: [india-gii] is automation as big as they say? While the other arguments are interesting, and debatable, and hopefully the= re will be some debate, let it not be sullied with the kind of distortion w= e are seeing in India today, the misuse and abuse of common terms to mean s= omething quite different (such as Romeo). In this case, it is Ludd. While it is convenient for those who champion the= unbridled and indiscriminate use of technology in society to criticise tho= se who think before speaking as Luddites, it might be salutary to recall th= at the original Ludd fought a very brief and unsuccessful attempt to slow d= own or control the creation of exceedingly unhealthy and polluting textile = factories in England, at the very onset of the Industrial Age, whose excess= es now imperil the very existence of humans on the planet. He did not, as i= s commonly thought (Goebbels is said to have remarked that anybody will bel= ieve any lie if it is repeated often enough) fight against the introduction= of technology and labor saving technologies, but against the manner of the= ir introduction. We have probably been discussing, in one form or another, for thirty years = now, and many of those on this very list, just what impact information tech= nologies will have on both earning ability and the very existence of earnin= g opportunities. It would be a shame if those thoughts were consigned to th= e dustbin, simply because of semantics. Vickram ________ Adlai Stevenson was once told, "All thinking people are with you." "That's not enough," he replied, "I need a majority." ---------- On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 10:35 p.m., Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> wrote: _______________________________________________ India-gii mailing list India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]<mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii --_000_BY2PR01MB1888B82A3CCB9B3C49A8756C80D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"><!-- P {margin-top:0;margi= n-bottom:0;} --></style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font= -family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr"> <p>Vickram,</p> <p>The term Luddite does indicate some kind to hatred towards re= placement of human labor with machinery and automation.</p> <p>The Luddites earned their name and fame in early days after by actually = smashing machine to show their protest. He truly </p> <p>was a machine slayer or machine breaker, if you will. I do n= ot see how you can say he loved (or, at least, accepted) m= achines </p> <p>but hated the manner the machines were introduced.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Details <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">in the link below about w= ho were the Luddites</span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">.</span></p> <p><br> </p> <p><a href=3D"http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-luddites= " class=3D"OWAAutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk405430" previewremoved=3D"true">http://w= ww.history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-luddites</a></p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>That said, I agree with you that there are some genuine concerns with ma= chines taking over some work from humans. I described </p> <p>it in some detail in my very first post.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>But, I really do not know what we can do about it except to e= mbrace the change.</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Ratnendra Pandey</p> <p><br> <a href=3D"http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-luddites" c= lass=3D"OWAAutoLink" previewremoved=3D"true"></a></p> <div id=3D"LPBorder_GT_14914974533470.4751054205945153" style=3D"margin-bot= tom: 20px; overflow: auto; width: 100%; text-indent: 0px;"> <table id=3D"LPContainer_14914974533430.4032137342357405" role=3D"presentat= ion" cellspacing=3D"0" style=3D"width: 90%; background-color: rgb(255, 255,= 255); position: relative; overflow: auto; padding-top: 20px; padding-botto= m: 20px; margin-top: 20px; border-top: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200); borde= r-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(200, 200, 200);"> <tbody> <tr valign=3D"top" style=3D"border-spacing: 0px;"> <td id=3D"ImageCell_14914974533440.03340435433055622" colspan=3D"1" style= =3D"width: 250px; position: relative; display: table-cell; padding-right: 2= 0px;"> <div id=3D"LPImageContainer_14914974533440.4743904136383901" style=3D"backg= round-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 140px; position: relative; margin:= auto; display: table; width: 250px;"> <a id=3D"LPImageAnchor_14914974533450.7125953115456491" href=3D"http://www.= history.com/news/ask-history/who-were-the-luddites" target=3D"_blank" style= =3D"display: table-cell; text-align: center;"><img aria-label=3D"Preview im= age with link selected. 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Author. Evan Andrews. Website Name.= History.com. Year Published. 2015. Title. Who were the Luddites? URL. http= ://www.history ...</div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> <br> <p></p> <br> <br> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co= lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> India-gii <india-g= ii-bounces+pandey=3Dhotmail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> on behalf of Vi= ckram Crishna <v1clist-/[email protected]><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:35 AM<br> <b>To:</b> India-gii<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [india-gii] is automation as big as they say?</font> <div> </div> </div> <div>While the other arguments are interesting, and debatable, and hopefull= y there will be some debate, let it not be sullied with the kind of distort= ion we are seeing in India today, the misuse and abuse of common terms to m= ean something quite different (such as Romeo). <div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1491495932530"><br> </div> <div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1491495933441">In this case, it is Lu= dd. While it is convenient for those who champion the unbridled and indiscr= iminate use of technology in society to criticise those who think before sp= eaking as Luddites, it might be salutary to recall that the original Ludd fought a very brief and unsuccessful atte= mpt to slow down or control the creation of exceedingly unhealthy and pollu= ting textile factories in England, at the very onset of the Industrial Age,= whose excesses now imperil the very existence of humans on the planet. He did not, as is commonly thought= (Goebbels is said to have remarked that anybody will believe any lie if it= is repeated often enough) fight against the introduction of technology and= labor saving technologies, but against the manner of their introduction. </div> <div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1491496326335"><br> </div> <div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1491496328009">We have probably been = discussing, in one form or another, for thirty years now, and many of those= on this very list, just what impact information technologies will have on = both earning ability and the very existence of earning opportunities. It would be a shame if those thoughts = were consigned to the dustbin, simply because of semantics. <br> <br> <div id=3D"ymail_android_signature">Vickram<br> ________<br> Adlai Stevenson was once told, "All thinking people are with you."= ; <br> "That's not enough," he replied, "I need a majority."<b= r> ----------</div> <br> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 20px 0"> <div>On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 10:35 p.m., Ratnendra Pandey</div> <div><[email protected]> wrote:</div> <div style=3D"padding:10px 0 0 20px; margin:10px 0 0 0; border-left:1px sol= id #6D00F6"> _______________________________________________<br clear=3D"none"> India-gii mailing list<br clear=3D"none"> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]">India-gii@l= ists.india-gii.org</a><br clear=3D"none"> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/indi= a-gii" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india= -gii</a><br clear=3D"none"> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_BY2PR01MB1888B82A3CCB9B3C49A8756C80D0BY2PR01MB188prodex_-- --===============6564185702779586966== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KSW5kaWEtZ2lp IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApJbmRpYS1naWlAbGlzdHMuaW5kaWEtZ2lpLm9yZwpodHRwczovL2xpc3Rz LmluZGlhLWdpaS5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9pbmRpYS1naWkK --===============6564185702779586966==--