Re: What is bias? (Re: should we continue?)

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Please, people, remember the mandate of this list. Unless you can show
relevance of this discussion to India's bumpy progress on the information
highway, please take it offline.
warmly,
Arun Mehta

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Kiritkumar Lathia <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Dear Mr. Pandey,
>
> Thank you for branding me as "left". Indeed to Alt-Right and Neo-Nazis,
> all are "left" and so I am proud to be "left" - for your information I very
> much follow principles of Gandhiji - by your definition a "extreme left"
> since he wanted a secular state with equality for all human beings,
> specially harijans and women. In a civilised society, the unfortunate are
> given a helping hand (by the government) - a concept you would deem
> "leftist".
>
> You wrote:
> "Google (rather Sundar Pichai ) just went out of its way to confirm the
> worst fears about the bias at Google and its adherence to the ideas of
> the extremist left."
>
> Over the years I have noticed that anything you do not agree with becomes
> "extremist left" confirming that you may be "Alt-Right", just as the "White
> supremacist" in US or Hindu alt-right (extreme Hinutva proponants) in India
> who blame women for being raped because they are out after dark! You Sir
> seem to have similar attitude that women are somehow inferior to men and
> please do not confuse this gender equality with diversity (see you emails).
> This is called misogyny and you are showing it but then trying to cloak
> it in "intellectual" arguments concerning "free speech"!
>
> By your definition, many in the the US "extremist left" judiciary has also
> sided with Google in that Google has correctly dismissed the employee and
> that the Constitution or Labour Laws were not infringed.
>
> As to the Google brand being damaged? It is one of the top 5 global brands
> according to Forbes (Apple $170bn, Google $102bn, Microsoft $87bn, Facebook
> $73bn, Coca-Cola $56bn, ...) and Google went up by 23% - so much for brand
> damage!
>
> Again, freedom of speech does not mean denigrating remarks about
> mothers/wives/sisters/daughters having* less biological capabilities* and
> hence making them unsuitable for .... or asking to be grouped and raped ...
> or ...
>
> Sir, that is sickening! If that means I am a "extreme leftist", then I am
> proud to wear that label - we must have gender equality and to get there,
> if we need need a limited time of affirmative action, so be it!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> On 13 August 2017 at 19:03, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sir, the kind of strong views that you have expressed is why
>>
>> I am  afraid of the left and what its stands far.  Exactly for
>>
>> this reason we have freedom of speech:   to protect
>>
>> a speaker from those who sit in the judgement of what
>>
>> constitutes an acceptable speech and what does not.
>>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Please, people, remember the mandate of this lis=
t. Unless you can show relevance of this discussion to India&#39;s bumpy pr=
ogress on the information highway, please take it offline.<br></div>warmly,=
<br></div>Arun Mehta<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Kiritkumar Lathia <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">kplath=
[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Dear Mr. Pandey,</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Thank you for branding me as &quot;left&quot;. Indeed to Alt-R=
ight and Neo-Nazis, all are &quot;left&quot; and so I am proud to be &quot;=
left&quot; - for your information I very much follow principles of Gandhiji=
 - by your definition a &quot;extreme left&quot; since he wanted a secular =
state with equality for all human beings, specially harijans and women. In =
a civilised society, the unfortunate are given a helping hand (by the gover=
nment) - a concept you would deem &quot;leftist&quot;.<br></div><span class=
=3D""><div><br></div>You wrote:<br>&quot;<font size=3D"2"><span>Google (rat=
her Sundar Pichai ) just went out of its way to</span></font><font size=3D"=
2"> confirm the worst fears about the bias at Google and its</font><font si=
ze=3D"2"> adherence to the ideas of the extremist=C2=A0left.&quot;<br><br><=
/font></span></div><font size=3D"2">Over the years I have noticed that anyt=
hing you do not agree with becomes &quot;extremist left&quot; confirming th=
at you may be &quot;Alt-Right&quot;, just as the &quot;White supremacist&qu=
ot; in US or Hindu alt-right (extreme Hinutva proponants) in India who blam=
e women for being raped because they are out after dark! You Sir seem to ha=
ve similar attitude that women are somehow inferior to men and please do no=
t confuse this gender equality with diversity (see you emails). This is cal=
led </font><font size=3D"2">misogyny and you are showing it but then trying=
 to cloak it in &quot;intellectual&quot; arguments concerning &quot;free sp=
eech&quot;!<br></font></div><div><font size=3D"2"><br></font></div><font si=
ze=3D"2">By your definition, many in the the US &quot;extremist left&quot; =
judiciary has also sided with Google in that Google has correctly dismissed=
 the employee and that the Constitution or Labour Laws were not infringed.<=
br><br></font></div><font size=3D"2">As to the Google brand being damaged? =
It is one of the top 5 global brands according to Forbes (Apple $170bn, Goo=
gle $102bn, Microsoft $87bn, Facebook $73bn, Coca-Cola $56bn, ...) and Goog=
le went up by 23% - so much for brand damage!<br><br></font></div><font siz=
e=3D"2">Again, freedom of speech does not mean denigrating remarks about mo=
thers/wives/sisters/<wbr>daughters having<i><b> less biological capabilitie=
s</b></i> and hence making them unsuitable for .... or asking to be grouped=
 and raped ... or ...<br><br></font></div><font size=3D"2">Sir, that is sic=
kening! If that means I am a &quot;extreme leftist&quot;, then I am proud t=
o wear that label - we must have gender equality and to get there, if we ne=
ed need a limited time of affirmative action, so be it!<br><br></font></div=
><font size=3D"2">Sincerely,<br></font><span class=3D""><div><div><div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 13 August 2017 at =
19:03, Ratnendra Pandey <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pandey@hotm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
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<p>Sir, the kind of strong views that you have expressed is why</p>
<p>I am=C2=A0=C2=A0afraid of the left and what its stands far.=C2=A0 Exactl=
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<p>this reason we have freedom of speech: =C2=A0 to protect=C2=A0</p>
<p>a speaker from those who sit in the judgement of what=C2=A0</p>
<p>constitutes an acceptable=C2=A0speech and what does not. =C2=A0</p>
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