RE: Re: Unicode

I am aware that Windows XP and 2000 have Unicode support, but the problem lies with the 3rd-party applications themselves. A vast majority are not written in Unicode, and will appear as many ????'s unless your default locale (Regional Locale-> Advanced) is set to that coding. Even Microsoft applications are often not written in Unicode.

This means it is impossible to simultaneously run two programs from different Asian countries. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques Vallin [mailto:jvallin-Hpm9b9gv7FW2//[email protected]] 
Sent: 2004 03 31 18:15
To: [email protected]; Beijing LUG technical questions and assistance - Publicly posted
Subject: Re: [blug-tech] Re: Debian

Windows 2000 and XP are Unicode based so they support most languages
worldwide on any machine - you can define several languages setting from
control panel. Prior to these 2 Windows versions though, you will have to
install a 3rd party layer, something like Richwin that provides the
character set.


Cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ford" <[email protected]>
To: "Graham Brown" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: [blug-tech] Re: Debian


> The ??????????dd?????????
>
> Problem of using Chinese software on an english windows is solvable.
> You need to install the code page languages.
>
> I know that ALL versions of windows, apart from the english ones are in
> fact "international" and can support any language concurrently and you
> can flip the interface from one language to another.  To get that
> functionality in the english version, you need to get some update that
> is only available to corporates in certain countries.
>
> How do I know this - fixing a friends laptop with Spanish windows and
> one day windowsupdate auto installed an update which was infact a
> Catalan (another kind of Basque spanish stuff) and this annoyed the
> owner.  Took me ages to realise it was an update from MS that did this
> and a quick trip to add/remove programs would fix it.  In the meantime I
> came up to speed on windows internationalisation.
>
> There is a way though to get Chinese PROGRAM and MENU support in english
> windows.  Not hard - but the process escapes me.  Maybe someone here
> knows the steps to click through?
>
> RF.
>
>
> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 17:57, Graham Brown wrote:
> > Richard,
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > It is the Apt get that I am interested in.
> >
> > I did not know that it was available for RH - I though that they only
> > supported their system.
> >
> > I am not really looking for command line Chinese, but I assume that is
at
> > least partly what is behind red flag.  RH, as I recall, allows Chinese
as
> > the installation language, - that suggests that it should be available
at
> > the command line but I have not tried it.
> >
> > I have more experience with Chinese in MSW - when it comes to programs
it
> > seems that in many cases the "internal" Chinese  relies on non unicode
> > character coding.  Then it cannot access the two byte coding provided by
> > the operating system, but the coding system that it was intended for is
not
> > available either   This is quite common in installers etc. you get a row
of
> > ???? instead of characters.
> >
> > I doubt that it is related to the graphics card, but I do not have
enough
> > experience to know.
> >
> >
> > At 03:13 PM 31/03/2004 +0800, you wrote:
> > >The automated updates are not so much debian but because of apt.
> > >
> > >Apt started with another linux distro (I forget which one - which is
now
> > >defunct) and the debian mob picked it up.
> > >
> > >What makes apt great is two things:
> > >
> > >1) The apt system itself.
> > >2) The repositories of files to download and install.
> > >
> > >Now I was keen to use debian before for one reason - apt.  But now apt
> > >is for RH.  I know you can get apt for RH9 and the fedora legacy
project
> > >will maintain a repository for RH9.  But I use apt with FC1 and it is
> > >great!
> > >
> > >Love it!
> > >
> > >The other issue with chines and this is in part based on my experience
> > >with e-smith and Chinese language is that the command line also needs
> > >Chinese support.
> > >
> > >That is - the ability to use and display Chinese characters in the
> > >terminal.
> > >
> > >I believe (but do not know for sure - I am guessing) that the Chinese
> > >support in X/Gnome/KDE comes from the graphics subsystem libraries.
> > >
> > >I know that samba has support since 3.0 for Chinese characters but I
> > >can't get that to work with Chinese windows and e-smith which uses
samba
> > >3.0.
> > >
> > >So I feel that like there are font and frame buffer support issues for
> > >various graphics cards and the terminal - that is also how language
> > >support is handled.  Each subsystem needs support?
> > >
> > >Just a guess.
> > >
> > >Now if your only needs is easier updating and you are happy with RH9. I
> > >suggest you check out http://www.fedora.us and look at getting apt (and
> > >synaptic for GUI apt usage) installed on your RH9 boxes.
> > >
> > > >From memory you run a very tight ship with respect to desktop needs,
so
> > >this may be much easier than going to debian - if all you are after is
> > >apt?
> > >
> > >RF.
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 14:28, Graham Brown wrote:
> > > > Richard,
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure where the Chinese comes from - it is loaded fairly
early in
> > > > install so I assume that it is in the distro.  Chinese works quite
well in
> > > > RH but I do not know whether it is the same in Debian. I presume so,
but I
> > > > would like to find out from someone already using it. (I guess I
will to
> > > > just download and see how my staff go :-))
> > > >
> > > > Automated updates seem to be distro dependent. At the moment, I
understand
> > > > that Debian and Gentoo provide the best free auto update
> > > systems.  Again, I
> > > > have not tried them but I intend to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 11:36 AM 31/03/2004 +0800, you wrote:
> > > > >Would the "Chinese" part be just in the domain of the gnome
project?
> > > > >
> > > > >I would guess that the underlying distro that powers the gnome (or
KDE)
> > > > >desktop environment would be of little consequence?
> > > > >
> > > > >And it is the distro that manages all the updating?
> > > > >
> > > > >RF.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 11:31, Graham Brown wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am getting lots of good feedback about how easy it is to keep
Debian
> > > > > updated.
> > > > > > Is anyone using Debian (in Chinese) on the desktop?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham Brown
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Graham Brown
> > > >
> >
>
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