Re: Re: Unicode

I think we did run different Asian language applications simultaneously - I
need to check.

But if they are not fully Unicode enabled, then characters will not display.
This is surely also true for some older Windows application like Outlook
(but should not be - these are clearly bugs).

cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glyn Truscott" <glyn.truscott-OQibcZakz7NWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
To: "Beijing LUG technical questions and assistance - Publicly posted"
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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:19 PM
Subject: RE: [blug-tech] Re: Unicode


I am aware that Windows XP and 2000 have Unicode support, but the problem
lies with the 3rd-party applications themselves. A vast majority are not
written in Unicode, and will appear as many ????'s unless your default
locale (Regional Locale-> Advanced) is set to that coding. Even Microsoft
applications are often not written in Unicode.

This means it is impossible to simultaneously run two programs from
different Asian countries.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques Vallin [mailto:jvallin-Hpm9b9gv7FW2//[email protected]]
Sent: 2004 03 31 18:15
To: [email protected]; Beijing LUG technical questions and assistance -
Publicly posted
Subject: Re: [blug-tech] Re: Debian

Windows 2000 and XP are Unicode based so they support most languages
worldwide on any machine - you can define several languages setting from
control panel. Prior to these 2 Windows versions though, you will have to
install a 3rd party layer, something like Richwin that provides the
character set.


Cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ford" <[email protected]>
To: "Graham Brown" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: [blug-tech] Re: Debian


> The ??????????dd?????????
>
> Problem of using Chinese software on an english windows is solvable.
> You need to install the code page languages.
>
> I know that ALL versions of windows, apart from the english ones are in
> fact "international" and can support any language concurrently and you
> can flip the interface from one language to another.  To get that
> functionality in the english version, you need to get some update that
> is only available to corporates in certain countries.
>
> How do I know this - fixing a friends laptop with Spanish windows and
> one day windowsupdate auto installed an update which was infact a
> Catalan (another kind of Basque spanish stuff) and this annoyed the
> owner.  Took me ages to realise it was an update from MS that did this
> and a quick trip to add/remove programs would fix it.  In the meantime I
> came up to speed on windows internationalisation.
>
> There is a way though to get Chinese PROGRAM and MENU support in english
> windows.  Not hard - but the process escapes me.  Maybe someone here
> knows the steps to click through?
>
> RF.
>
>
> On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 17:57, Graham Brown wrote:
> > Richard,
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > It is the Apt get that I am interested in.
> >
> > I did not know that it was available for RH - I though that they only
> > supported their system.
> >
> > I am not really looking for command line Chinese, but I assume that is
at
> > least partly what is behind red flag.  RH, as I recall, allows Chinese
as
> > the installation language, - that suggests that it should be available
at
> > the command line but I have not tried it.
> >
> > I have more experience with Chinese in MSW - when it comes to programs
it
> > seems that in many cases the "internal" Chinese  relies on non unicode
> > character coding.  Then it cannot access the two byte coding provided by
> > the operating system, but the coding system that it was intended for is
not
> > available either   This is quite common in installers etc. you get a row
of
> > ???? instead of characters.
> >
> > I doubt that it is related to the graphics card, but I do not have
enough
> > experience to know.
> >
> >
> > At 03:13 PM 31/03/2004 +0800, you wrote:
> > >The automated updates are not so much debian but because of apt.
> > >
> > >Apt started with another linux distro (I forget which one - which is
now
> > >defunct) and the debian mob picked it up.
> > >
> > >What makes apt great is two things:
> > >
> > >1) The apt system itself.
> > >2) The repositories of files to download and install.
> > >
> > >Now I was keen to use debian before for one reason - apt.  But now apt
> > >is for RH.  I know you can get apt for RH9 and the fedora legacy
project
> > >will maintain a repository for RH9.  But I use apt with FC1 and it is
> > >great!
> > >
> > >Love it!
> > >
> > >The other issue with chines and this is in part based on my experience
> > >with e-smith and Chinese language is that the command line also needs
> > >Chinese support.
> > >
> > >That is - the ability to use and display Chinese characters in the
> > >terminal.
> > >
> > >I believe (but do not know for sure - I am guessing) that the Chinese
> > >support in X/Gnome/KDE comes from the graphics subsystem libraries.
> > >
> > >I know that samba has support since 3.0 for Chinese characters but I
> > >can't get that to work with Chinese windows and e-smith which uses
samba
> > >3.0.
> > >
> > >So I feel that like there are font and frame buffer support issues for
> > >various graphics cards and the terminal - that is also how language
> > >support is handled.  Each subsystem needs support?
> > >
> > >Just a guess.
> > >
> > >Now if your only needs is easier updating and you are happy with RH9. I
> > >suggest you check out http://www.fedora.us and look at getting apt (and
> > >synaptic for GUI apt usage) installed on your RH9 boxes.
> > >
> > > >From memory you run a very tight ship with respect to desktop needs,
so
> > >this may be much easier than going to debian - if all you are after is
> > >apt?
> > >
> > >RF.
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 14:28, Graham Brown wrote:
> > > > Richard,
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure where the Chinese comes from - it is loaded fairly
early in
> > > > install so I assume that it is in the distro.  Chinese works quite
well in
> > > > RH but I do not know whether it is the same in Debian. I presume so,
but I
> > > > would like to find out from someone already using it. (I guess I
will to
> > > > just download and see how my staff go :-))
> > > >
> > > > Automated updates seem to be distro dependent. At the moment, I
understand
> > > > that Debian and Gentoo provide the best free auto update
> > > systems.  Again, I
> > > > have not tried them but I intend to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 11:36 AM 31/03/2004 +0800, you wrote:
> > > > >Would the "Chinese" part be just in the domain of the gnome
project?
> > > > >
> > > > >I would guess that the underlying distro that powers the gnome (or
KDE)
> > > > >desktop environment would be of little consequence?
> > > > >
> > > > >And it is the distro that manages all the updating?
> > > > >
> > > > >RF.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 11:31, Graham Brown wrote:
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am getting lots of good feedback about how easy it is to keep
Debian
> > > > > updated.
> > > > > > Is anyone using Debian (in Chinese) on the desktop?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham Brown
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Graham Brown
> > > >
> >
>
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