RE: Non - Linux - But good article

G'Day Fred,

Are you sure that you are offended Fred?  Or just feel that you should
be offended?  I think that you a being just a little bit silly.....

I think that you have mis-interpreted my comments.  And as a Linux User
Group - I made the overt reference to IT and telecommuting and the
evolution of society and thinking.  Is that not a topic that is at the
heart of Linux advocacy?  

Do I need to spell out the context of the metaphors and high rise
buildings (MS) and new infrastructure concepts (Linux)? 

Do I need to further highlight for you the glaring hypocrisy that I
present?  An area of the world that is striving for new concepts and
idea's and is a leader in the adoption of said new ideas (eg: Linux
mandates, broadband adoption, local technology manufacturing sector) yet
is undeniably still lagging when it comes to other concepts (eg: space
investment, construction, city planning)? 

I think you should go and actually =read= the article before you comment
upon my apparent ill conceived polemics.  I am sure that as an
intelligent man Fred, you are capable of analysing events in context and
not as unique islands unto themselves?  

This is a topic about attitudes and culture and not an in-depth critique
of the reformation.  I say this with all due respect Fred, but I think
your political correctness blinkers are hindering your cognitive
analysis on this one....  ;-)

I would also like to ask you, exactly where have I been disrespectful? 
If you make a comment, tenants of good dialectics require some modicum
of empirical support. It may come as a bit of a shock to you, but
truisms are not in the exclusive realm of subjectivity.  I know that
this may be a bit of a bitter pill for some to swallow, however
blinkered deference to political correctness is nought but a thorn in
the side of free thinking.  Personally as someone who is purported to be
evangelising "open and free software" I would find this just a tad
concerning?  I quote my own first sentence again, "good metaphors for
life and our geographic region".

Anyway Fred, I don't think that you are really offended, if a comment is
superficially interpreted by yourself to be an insult or a slur with
respect to China, I really think that you ought to be a little more
consistent in your policing.  To quote yourself directly "I have been
sick and not around" I suggest that you engage in a quick retrospective
troll of the list.  And you should turn up many threads that would fall
under your hitherto "offended" nomenclature;
 
- Dalian ISP
- China ICMP
- Spam and RTBS
- Mass Hysteria, everyone turning off....

To name but a few.

And lastly, the title reflected the content, so if you do not want to
read it (as it appears you haven't), don't.  The list has hardly been a
hotpot of activity lately.

And I would also respectfully ask you to not impugn any apparent lack of
cultural respect upon me.  Your tacit implication is both incorrect and
in this case, genuinely offending.  Not to mention patently laughable in
the context of your apparent lack of mental digestion of the presented
subject matter.  And your inconsistent approach to the application of
your social judgement.  Nothing wrong with differing views Fred, just be
consistent when you want to lambaste someone, it helps in the
credibility dept.

At the end of the day Fred, society is built upon the the notion that
people have differing opinions.  To die-regard that would be both myopic
and destroy one of the greatest aspects of human kind, diversity!  What
is it that they call that, culture?

With warmest regards,
RF.



On Fri, 2004-03-6 at 23:06, Frederic Muller wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I will try to say it nicely since it is not the first time I see it and I
> feel offended ... could you keep your cultural/political comments for
> yourself (since the LINUX USER GROUP is definitely not about that) and at
> least show some respect to the people who are welcoming you on their own
> land.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Fred
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ford
> Sent: Friday 26 March, 2004 22:51
> To: Beijing LUG general non-technical discussion list - Not publicly posted
> Subject: [blug-general] Non - Linux - But good article
> 
> 
> http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/26/1079939835034.html
> 
> Good metaphors for life and our geographic region.  I have always noted the
> Chinese need for "face" and how it often leads to nice exteriors and poor
> interiors.  "Rotten Apples" if you will.
> 
> Anyway combine all that in with the Chinese penchant for short term planning
> and decision making, the argument of the article, the environment, IT and
> telecommuting and Beijing - which for me at least I have seen massive
> changes in the past 4 years.  And I am sure most would agree that one day,
> who knows when, the dominoes will all fall over.....
> 
> 
> RF.
> 
> 
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