RE: Non - Linux - But good article

PS:  What previous comments?  Hearsay is not a tool of debate Fred.


On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 08:55, Frederic Muller wrote:
> Comparing Chinese to Rotten Apples as you call it offends me, and previous
> comments of your in the same direction as well. All this is out of the scope
> of the LUG and could eventually discuss around a beer, but I really hate to
> see it here.
> Being away with a broken back has nothing to do with being unable to read
> emails.. not sure what your point was.
> 
> So to repeat myself as a non-Chinese I do feel offended by your comments
> (and would probably feel even more if I were a Chinese) and therefore ask
> you politely to keep them off the list.
> 
> If you have more to say we should better keep this discussion off the list
> as really it is not the right place.
> 
> Thanks for your understanding.
> 
> Fred
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Ford [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Saturday 27 March, 2004 08:45
> To: fred-GQxX53Lv/[email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [blug-general] Non - Linux - But good article
> 
> 
> G'Day Fred,
> 
> Are you sure that you are offended Fred?  Or just feel that you should be
> offended?  I think that you a being just a little bit silly.....
> 
> I think that you have mis-interpreted my comments.  And as a Linux User
> Group - I made the overt reference to IT and telecommuting and the evolution
> of society and thinking.  Is that not a topic that is at the heart of Linux
> advocacy?  
> 
> Do I need to spell out the context of the metaphors and high rise buildings
> (MS) and new infrastructure concepts (Linux)? 
> 
> Do I need to further highlight for you the glaring hypocrisy that I present?
> An area of the world that is striving for new concepts and idea's and is a
> leader in the adoption of said new ideas (eg: Linux mandates, broadband
> adoption, local technology manufacturing sector) yet is undeniably still
> lagging when it comes to other concepts (eg: space investment, construction,
> city planning)? 
> 
> I think you should go and actually =read= the article before you comment
> upon my apparent ill conceived polemics.  I am sure that as an intelligent
> man Fred, you are capable of analysing events in context and not as unique
> islands unto themselves?  
> 
> This is a topic about attitudes and culture and not an in-depth critique of
> the reformation.  I say this with all due respect Fred, but I think your
> political correctness blinkers are hindering your cognitive analysis on this
> one....  ;-)
> 
> I would also like to ask you, exactly where have I been disrespectful? 
> If you make a comment, tenants of good dialectics require some modicum of
> empirical support. It may come as a bit of a shock to you, but truisms are
> not in the exclusive realm of subjectivity.  I know that this may be a bit
> of a bitter pill for some to swallow, however blinkered deference to
> political correctness is nought but a thorn in the side of free thinking.
> Personally as someone who is purported to be evangelising "open and free
> software" I would find this just a tad concerning?  I quote my own first
> sentence again, "good metaphors for life and our geographic region".
> 
> Anyway Fred, I don't think that you are really offended, if a comment is
> superficially interpreted by yourself to be an insult or a slur with respect
> to China, I really think that you ought to be a little more consistent in
> your policing.  To quote yourself directly "I have been sick and not around"
> I suggest that you engage in a quick retrospective troll of the list.  And
> you should turn up many threads that would fall under your hitherto
> "offended" nomenclature;
>  
> - Dalian ISP
> - China ICMP
> - Spam and RTBS
> - Mass Hysteria, everyone turning off....
> 
> To name but a few.
> 
> And lastly, the title reflected the content, so if you do not want to read
> it (as it appears you haven't), don't.  The list has hardly been a hotpot of
> activity lately.
> 
> And I would also respectfully ask you to not impugn any apparent lack of
> cultural respect upon me.  Your tacit implication is both incorrect and in
> this case, genuinely offending.  Not to mention patently laughable in the
> context of your apparent lack of mental digestion of the presented subject
> matter.  And your inconsistent approach to the application of your social
> judgement.  Nothing wrong with differing views Fred, just be consistent when
> you want to lambaste someone, it helps in the credibility dept.
> 
> At the end of the day Fred, society is built upon the the notion that people
> have differing opinions.  To die-regard that would be both myopic and
> destroy one of the greatest aspects of human kind, diversity!  What is it
> that they call that, culture?
> 
> With warmest regards,
> RF.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2004-03-6 at 23:06, Frederic Muller wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I will try to say it nicely since it is not the first time I see it 
> > and I feel offended ... could you keep your cultural/political 
> > comments for yourself (since the LINUX USER GROUP is definitely not 
> > about that) and at least show some respect to the people who are 
> > welcoming you on their own land.
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> > Fred
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
> > [mailto:blug-general-bounces-+qp3TudyjKPvfBIPTTProkB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Richard 
> > Ford
> > Sent: Friday 26 March, 2004 22:51
> > To: Beijing LUG general non-technical discussion list - Not publicly
> posted
> > Subject: [blug-general] Non - Linux - But good article
> > 
> > 
> > http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/26/1079939835034.html
> > 
> > Good metaphors for life and our geographic region.  I have always 
> > noted the Chinese need for "face" and how it often leads to nice 
> > exteriors and poor interiors.  "Rotten Apples" if you will.
> > 
> > Anyway combine all that in with the Chinese penchant for short term 
> > planning and decision making, the argument of the article, the 
> > environment, IT and telecommuting and Beijing - which for me at least 
> > I have seen massive changes in the past 4 years.  And I am sure most 
> > would agree that one day, who knows when, the dominoes will all fall 
> > over.....
> > 
> > 
> > RF.
> > 
> > 
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