Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday April 2nd
Matthew Gottlieb <[email protected]> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:37:57 -0700
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--===============4401081499756804974== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0446310a0a114004bb2931af --f46d0446310a0a114004bb2931af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You do realize that you were fighting with Hal (the biggest Hippie to pass through DePaul in recent years) who is defending Richard Stallman, (the biggest Hippie on the internet). ...right? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Sean Neilan <[email protected]> wrote: > Why is Richard Stallman not listed on the UiC International House (the > location's) website? > http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/ > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Larry Garfield <[email protected]>w= rote: > >> Matt originally suggested it back when I was president a decade ago. I >> vetoed it on the grounds that "I refuse to be president of DUFOS!" >> (Really, that line is in the old mail archives from a decade ago, if >> anyone has them.) >> >> We were originally DLUG, then DGLUG, then DLC. The DGLUG name wasn't >> strictly "because RMS wanted it", but because we were trying to be more >> Free Software-supportive than Open-Sourcy. We eventually changed to DLC >> because no one could pronounce a word with a slash in it. >> >> No reasonable person claims that RMS is the father of Linux, and neither >> does RMS. One could argue that he's the father of GNU/Linux, and RMS >> himself will give you a 20 minute lecture if you dare to refer to the >> entire system as anything other than GNU/Linux. He was the founder of >> FSF, which has been a major positive force in the "software and >> intellectual freedom" movement (Free Software, Open Source, copyright >> freedom, open formats, etc.). >> >> RMS himself is still nonetheless a rather unpleasant human being. I >> speak from personal experience (I had dinner with him back when I was at >> DePaul as a student) as well as near universal agreement among others >> I've talked to that have spent time with him. >> >> I would still encourage people to see him speak themselves, if only for >> the experience. He may not be a nice person, but he is still right on >> far more issues than most would like to admit. If you haven't read "The >> Right to Read" then you do not understand just how far gone our society >> is, in ways that RMS predicted 15 years ago: >> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html >> >> (Incidentally, that "one Chicago-area university" mentioned at the >> bottom? Yes, that's DePaul.) >> >> Thanks for making me feel old, guys! Now get off my lawn... >> >> --Larry Garfield >> >> On 3/13/12 12:37 PM, Matthew P Kemp wrote: >> > Been trying since 1999/98 ... haven't succeed yet. All of you =3D=3D = no >> fun! >> > >> > -- >> > Matthew P Kemp >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM,<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I like the name you suggest "DePaul Users of Free Operating Systems" = I >> just >> >> dont think I would be too crazy about the acronym: DUFOS (?) >> >> >> >> but that's just me.... >> >> >> >> /*Joel Alonso*/ >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "Matthew P Kemp"<[email protected]> >> >> To: "DePaul Linux Community - Discuss"<[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:48:12 AM >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday April >> 2nd >> >> >> >> Actually DLUG became DGLUG for a bit. I am still voting for DePaul >> >> Users of Free Operating Systems, but I keep losing that battle. BSD >> >> be damned! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Matthew P Kemp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Kristoff<[email protected]> wrote= : >> >>> Someone said that Stallman is the father of Linux. I doubt Richard >> >>> would even claim that, especially since he would insist you call the >> >>> entire operating system GNU/Linux. Nevertheless, the FSF has this t= o >> >>> say: >> >>> >> >>> If we tried to measure the GNU Project's contribution in this way, >> >>> what would we conclude? One CD-ROM vendor found that in their "Lin= ux >> >>> distribution", GNU software was the largest single contingent, >> around >> >>> 28% of the total source code, and this included some of the >> essential >> >>> major components without which there could be no system. Linux >> itself >> >>> was about 3%. (The proportions in 2008 are similar: in the "main" >> >>> repository of gNewSense, Linux is 1.5% and GNU packages are 15%.) >> So if >> >>> you were going to pick a name for the system based on who wrote th= e >> >>> programs in the system, the most appropriate single choice would b= e >> >>> =93GNU=94. >> >>> >> >>> <http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html> >> >>> >> >>> Whatever you call it, it's an aggregate of many licenses, people and >> >>> borrowed ideas from other projects. >> >>> >> >>> As a historical note, I recall this group once seriously considering >> >>> changing it's name from the original DLUG to DGLUG or something >> similar >> >>> to acquiesce to the FSF when it was made clear by Bradley Kuhn when = he >> >>> visited DePaul that RMS himself wouldn't come to DePaul unless this >> >>> group changed it's name to put 'GNU' or something about free softwar= e >> in >> >>> it's name. >> >>> >> >>> John >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> DLC mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> >>> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> >>> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> DLC mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> DLC mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > DLC mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> > http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> _______________________________________________ >> DLC mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > --f46d0446310a0a114004bb2931af Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You do realize that you were fighting with Hal (the biggest Hippie to pass = through DePaul in recent years) who is defending Richard Stallman, (the big= gest Hippie on the internet). ...right?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Sean Neilan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<b= r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:= 1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Why is Richard Stallman not listed on the UiC International House (the loca= tion's) website?<div><a href=3D"http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/" target=3D"= _blank">http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/</a><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div = class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Larry Garfield <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= om</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Matt originally suggested it back when I was= president a decade ago. =A0I<br> vetoed it on the grounds that "I refuse to be president of DUFOS!"= ;<br> (Really, that line is in the old mail archives from a decade ago, if<br> anyone has them.)<br> <br> We were originally DLUG, then DGLUG, then DLC. =A0The DGLUG name wasn't= <br> strictly "because RMS wanted it", but because we were trying to b= e more<br> Free Software-supportive than Open-Sourcy. =A0We eventually changed to DLC<= br> because no one could pronounce a word with a slash in it.<br> <br> No reasonable person claims that RMS is the father of Linux, and neither<br= > does RMS. =A0One could argue that he's the father of GNU/Linux, and RMS= <br> himself will give you a 20 minute lecture if you dare to refer to the<br> entire system as anything other than GNU/Linux. =A0He was the founder of<br= > FSF, which has been a major positive force in the "software and<br> intellectual freedom" movement (Free Software, Open Source, copyright<= br> freedom, open formats, etc.).<br> <br> RMS himself is still nonetheless a rather unpleasant human being. =A0I<br> speak from personal experience (I had dinner with him back when I was at<br= > DePaul as a student) as well as near universal agreement among others<br> I've talked to that have spent time with him.<br> <br> I would still encourage people to see him speak themselves, if only for<br> the experience. =A0He may not be a nice person, but he is still right on<br= > far more issues than most would like to admit. =A0If you haven't read &= quot;The<br> Right to Read" then you do not understand just how far gone our societ= y<br> is, in ways that RMS predicted 15 years ago:<br> <br> <a href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html" target=3D"_bla= nk">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html</a><br> <br> (Incidentally, that "one Chicago-area university" mentioned at th= e<br> bottom? =A0Yes, that's DePaul.)<br> <br> Thanks for making me feel old, guys! =A0Now get off my lawn...<br> <font color=3D"#888888"><br> --Larry Garfield<br> </font><div><div></div><div><br> On 3/13/12 12:37 PM, Matthew P Kemp wrote:<br> > Been trying since 1999/98 ... haven't succeed yet. =A0All of you = =3D=3D no fun!<br> ><br> > --<br> > Matthew P Kemp<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM,<<a href=3D"mailto:aztec007@comcas= t.net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> =A0wrote:<br> >> I like the name you suggest "DePaul Users of Free Operating S= ystems" I just<br> >> dont think I would be too crazy about the acronym: DUFOS (?)<br> >><br> >> but that's just me....<br> >><br> >> /*Joel Alonso*/<br> >><br> >> ________________________________<br> >> From: "Matthew P Kemp"<<a href=3D"mailto:matthew.p.ke= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> >> To: "DePaul Linux Community - Discuss"<<a href=3D"mai= lto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>= ;<br> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:48:12 AM<br> >><br> >> Subject: Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday Ap= ril 2nd<br> >><br> >> Actually DLUG became DGLUG for a bit. =A0I am still voting for DeP= aul<br> >> Users of Free Operating Systems, but I keep losing that battle. = =A0BSD<br> >> be damned!<br> >><br> >> --<br> >> Matthew P Kemp<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Kristoff<<a href=3D"mailt= o:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> =A0wrote:<br> >>> Someone said that Stallman is the father of Linux. =A0I doubt = Richard<br> >>> would even claim that, especially since he would insist you ca= ll the<br> >>> entire operating system GNU/Linux. =A0Nevertheless, the FSF ha= s this to<br> >>> say:<br> >>><br> >>> =A0 If we tried to measure the GNU Project's contribution = in this way,<br> >>> =A0 what would we conclude? One CD-ROM vendor found that in th= eir "Linux<br> >>> =A0 distribution", GNU software was the largest single co= ntingent, around<br> >>> =A0 28% of the total source code, and this included some of th= e essential<br> >>> =A0 major components without which there could be no system. L= inux itself<br> >>> =A0 was about 3%. (The proportions in 2008 are similar: in the= "main"<br> >>> =A0 repository of gNewSense, Linux is 1.5% and GNU packages ar= e 15%.) So if<br> >>> =A0 you were going to pick a name for the system based on who = wrote the<br> >>> =A0 programs in the system, the most appropriate single choice= would be<br> >>> =A0 =93GNU=94.<br> >>><br> >>> =A0 <<a href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html</a>><br> >>><br> >>> Whatever you call it, it's an aggregate of many licenses, = people and<br> >>> borrowed ideas from other projects.<br> >>><br> >>> As a historical note, I recall this group once seriously consi= dering<br> >>> changing it's name from the original DLUG to DGLUG or some= thing similar<br> >>> to acquiesce to the FSF when it was made clear by Bradley Kuhn= when he<br> >>> visited DePaul that RMS himself wouldn't come to DePaul un= less this<br> >>> group changed it's name to put 'GNU' or something = about free software in<br> >>> it's name.<br> >>><br> >>> John<br> >>> _______________________________________________<br> >>> DLC mailing list<br> >>> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DL= [email protected]</a><br> >>> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" tar= get=3D"_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >>> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >>> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://= linux.depaul.edu/</a><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> DLC mailing list<br> >> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@ma= ilman.depaul.edu</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target= =3D"_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linu= x.depaul.edu/</a><br> >><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> DLC mailing list<br> >> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@ma= ilman.depaul.edu</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target= =3D"_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linu= x.depaul.edu/</a><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > DLC mailing list<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@mailma= n.depaul.edu</a><br> > <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_= blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> > <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.de= paul.edu/</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> DLC mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= aul.edu</a><br> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_blank= ">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.depaul.= edu/</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> DLC mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_blank= ">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.depaul.= edu/</a><br></blockquote></div><br> --f46d0446310a0a114004bb2931af-- --===============4401081499756804974== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DLC mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! http://linux.depaul.edu/ --===============4401081499756804974==--