Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday April 2nd
Hal Wigoda <[email protected]> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:10:25 -0500
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--===============8034253327921354134== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-99AC48BC-9E0E-4C5B-88F0-380D5CB17785 --Apple-Mail-99AC48BC-9E0E-4C5B-88F0-380D5CB17785 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 This is a discussion not an argument =F0=9F=98=83=F0=9F=86=97 ------- On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Matthew Gottlieb <[email protected]>= wrote: > You do realize that you were fighting with Hal (the biggest Hippie to pass= through DePaul in recent years) who is defending Richard Stallman, (the big= gest Hippie on the internet). ...right? >=20 > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Sean Neilan <[email protected]> wrote: > Why is Richard Stallman not listed on the UiC International House (the loc= ation's) website? > http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/ >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Larry Garfield <[email protected]> w= rote: > Matt originally suggested it back when I was president a decade ago. I > vetoed it on the grounds that "I refuse to be president of DUFOS!" > (Really, that line is in the old mail archives from a decade ago, if > anyone has them.) >=20 > We were originally DLUG, then DGLUG, then DLC. The DGLUG name wasn't > strictly "because RMS wanted it", but because we were trying to be more > Free Software-supportive than Open-Sourcy. We eventually changed to DLC > because no one could pronounce a word with a slash in it. >=20 > No reasonable person claims that RMS is the father of Linux, and neither > does RMS. One could argue that he's the father of GNU/Linux, and RMS > himself will give you a 20 minute lecture if you dare to refer to the > entire system as anything other than GNU/Linux. He was the founder of > FSF, which has been a major positive force in the "software and > intellectual freedom" movement (Free Software, Open Source, copyright > freedom, open formats, etc.). >=20 > RMS himself is still nonetheless a rather unpleasant human being. I > speak from personal experience (I had dinner with him back when I was at > DePaul as a student) as well as near universal agreement among others > I've talked to that have spent time with him. >=20 > I would still encourage people to see him speak themselves, if only for > the experience. He may not be a nice person, but he is still right on > far more issues than most would like to admit. If you haven't read "The > Right to Read" then you do not understand just how far gone our society > is, in ways that RMS predicted 15 years ago: >=20 > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html >=20 > (Incidentally, that "one Chicago-area university" mentioned at the > bottom? Yes, that's DePaul.) >=20 > Thanks for making me feel old, guys! Now get off my lawn... >=20 > --Larry Garfield >=20 > On 3/13/12 12:37 PM, Matthew P Kemp wrote: > > Been trying since 1999/98 ... haven't succeed yet. All of you =3D=3D no= fun! > > > > -- > > Matthew P Kemp > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM,<[email protected]> wrote: > >> I like the name you suggest "DePaul Users of Free Operating Systems" I j= ust > >> dont think I would be too crazy about the acronym: DUFOS (?) > >> > >> but that's just me.... > >> > >> /*Joel Alonso*/ > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: "Matthew P Kemp"<[email protected]> > >> To: "DePaul Linux Community - Discuss"<[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:48:12 AM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday April 2= nd > >> > >> Actually DLUG became DGLUG for a bit. I am still voting for DePaul > >> Users of Free Operating Systems, but I keep losing that battle. BSD > >> be damned! > >> > >> -- > >> Matthew P Kemp > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Kristoff<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Someone said that Stallman is the father of Linux. I doubt Richard > >>> would even claim that, especially since he would insist you call the > >>> entire operating system GNU/Linux. Nevertheless, the FSF has this to > >>> say: > >>> > >>> If we tried to measure the GNU Project's contribution in this way, > >>> what would we conclude? One CD-ROM vendor found that in their "Linux= > >>> distribution", GNU software was the largest single contingent, aroun= d > >>> 28% of the total source code, and this included some of the essentia= l > >>> major components without which there could be no system. Linux itsel= f > >>> was about 3%. (The proportions in 2008 are similar: in the "main" > >>> repository of gNewSense, Linux is 1.5% and GNU packages are 15%.) So= if > >>> you were going to pick a name for the system based on who wrote the > >>> programs in the system, the most appropriate single choice would be > >>> =E2=80=9CGNU=E2=80=9D. > >>> > >>> <http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html> > >>> > >>> Whatever you call it, it's an aggregate of many licenses, people and > >>> borrowed ideas from other projects. > >>> > >>> As a historical note, I recall this group once seriously considering > >>> changing it's name from the original DLUG to DGLUG or something simila= r > >>> to acquiesce to the FSF when it was made clear by Bradley Kuhn when he= > >>> visited DePaul that RMS himself wouldn't come to DePaul unless this > >>> group changed it's name to put 'GNU' or something about free software i= n > >>> it's name. > >>> > >>> John > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> DLC mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > >>> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > >>> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DLC mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> DLC mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > >> http://linux.depaul.edu/ > > _______________________________________________ > > DLC mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > > http://linux.depaul.edu/ > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > DLC mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! > http://linux.depaul.edu/ --Apple-Mail-99AC48BC-9E0E-4C5B-88F0-380D5CB17785 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>This is a discussion not a= n argument =F0=9F=98=83=F0=9F=86=97<br><br>-------</div><div><= br>On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Matthew Gottlieb <<a href=3D"mailto:matth= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br><br>= </div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>You do realize that you were= fighting with Hal (the biggest Hippie to pass through DePaul in recent year= s) who is defending Richard Stallman, (the biggest Hippie on the internet). .= ..right?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Sean Neilan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><b= lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #= ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Why is Richard Stallman not listed on the UiC International House (the locat= ion's) website?<div><a href=3D"http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/" target=3D"_blank= ">http://ihouse.uchicago.edu/</a><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D= "gmail_quote"> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Larry Garfield <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre= f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= </a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Matt originally suggested it back when I was p= resident a decade ago. I<br> vetoed it on the grounds that "I refuse to be president of DUFOS!"<br> (Really, that line is in the old mail archives from a decade ago, if<br> anyone has them.)<br> <br> We were originally DLUG, then DGLUG, then DLC. The DGLUG name wasn't<b= r> strictly "because RMS wanted it", but because we were trying to be more<br> Free Software-supportive than Open-Sourcy. We eventually changed to DL= C<br> because no one could pronounce a word with a slash in it.<br> <br> No reasonable person claims that RMS is the father of Linux, and neither<br>= does RMS. One could argue that he's the father of GNU/Linux, and RMS<b= r> himself will give you a 20 minute lecture if you dare to refer to the<br> entire system as anything other than GNU/Linux. He was the founder of<= br> FSF, which has been a major positive force in the "software and<br> intellectual freedom" movement (Free Software, Open Source, copyright<br> freedom, open formats, etc.).<br> <br> RMS himself is still nonetheless a rather unpleasant human being. I<br= > speak from personal experience (I had dinner with him back when I was at<br>= DePaul as a student) as well as near universal agreement among others<br> I've talked to that have spent time with him.<br> <br> I would still encourage people to see him speak themselves, if only for<br> the experience. He may not be a nice person, but he is still right on<= br> far more issues than most would like to admit. If you haven't read "Th= e<br> Right to Read" then you do not understand just how far gone our society<br> is, in ways that RMS predicted 15 years ago:<br> <br> <a href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html" target=3D"_blan= k">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html</a><br> <br> (Incidentally, that "one Chicago-area university" mentioned at the<br> bottom? Yes, that's DePaul.)<br> <br> Thanks for making me feel old, guys! Now get off my lawn...<br> <font color=3D"#888888"><br> --Larry Garfield<br> </font><div><div></div><div><br> On 3/13/12 12:37 PM, Matthew P Kemp wrote:<br> > Been trying since 1999/98 ... haven't succeed yet. All of you =3D= =3D no fun!<br> ><br> > --<br> > Matthew P Kemp<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM,<<a href=3D"mailto:aztec007@comcast= .net" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> >> I like the name you suggest "DePaul Users of Free Operating Systems= " I just<br> >> dont think I would be too crazy about the acronym: DUFOS (?)<br> >><br> >> but that's just me....<br> >><br> >> /*Joel Alonso*/<br> >><br> >> ________________________________<br> >> From: "Matthew P Kemp"<<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= m" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> >> To: "DePaul Linux Community - Discuss"<<a href=3D"mailto:dlc@mai= lman.depaul.edu" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:48:12 AM<br> >><br> >> Subject: Re: [DLC] Richard Stallman, presenting at UofC, Monday Apr= il 2nd<br> >><br> >> Actually DLUG became DGLUG for a bit. I am still voting for D= ePaul<br> >> Users of Free Operating Systems, but I keep losing that battle. &nb= sp;BSD<br> >> be damned!<br> >><br> >> --<br> >> Matthew P Kemp<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Kristoff<<a href=3D"mailto= :[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> >>> Someone said that Stallman is the father of Linux. I doub= t Richard<br> >>> would even claim that, especially since he would insist you cal= l the<br> >>> entire operating system GNU/Linux. Nevertheless, the FSF h= as this to<br> >>> say:<br> >>><br> >>> If we tried to measure the GNU Project's contribution in= this way,<br> >>> what would we conclude? One CD-ROM vendor found that in t= heir "Linux<br> >>> distribution", GNU software was the largest single conti= ngent, around<br> >>> 28% of the total source code, and this included some of t= he essential<br> >>> major components without which there could be no system.= Linux itself<br> >>> was about 3%. (The proportions in 2008 are similar: in t= he "main"<br> >>> repository of gNewSense, Linux is 1.5% and GNU packages a= re 15%.) So if<br> >>> you were going to pick a name for the system based on wh= o wrote the<br> >>> programs in the system, the most appropriate single choi= ce would be<br> >>> =E2=80=9CGNU=E2=80=9D.<br> >>><br> >>> <<a href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html= " target=3D"_blank">http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html</a>><br> >>><br> >>> Whatever you call it, it's an aggregate of many licenses, peopl= e and<br> >>> borrowed ideas from other projects.<br> >>><br> >>> As a historical note, I recall this group once seriously consid= ering<br> >>> changing it's name from the original DLUG to DGLUG or something= similar<br> >>> to acquiesce to the FSF when it was made clear by Bradley Kuhn w= hen he<br> >>> visited DePaul that RMS himself wouldn't come to DePaul unless t= his<br> >>> group changed it's name to put 'GNU' or something about free so= ftware in<br> >>> it's name.<br> >>><br> >>> John<br> >>> _______________________________________________<br> >>> DLC mailing list<br> >>> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC= @mailman.depaul.edu</a><br> >>> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" targ= et=3D"_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >>> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >>> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://l= inux.depaul.edu/</a><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> DLC mailing list<br> >> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@mai= lman.depaul.edu</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D= "_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux= .depaul.edu/</a><br> >><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> DLC mailing list<br> >> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@mai= lman.depaul.edu</a><br> >> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D= "_blank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> >> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> >> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux= .depaul.edu/</a><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > DLC mailing list<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DLC@mailman= .depaul.edu</a><br> > <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_b= lank">http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> > Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> > <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.dep= aul.edu/</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> DLC mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= ul.edu</a><br> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_blank"= >http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.depaul.e= du/</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> DLC mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc" target=3D"_blank"= >http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a><br> Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!!<br> <a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://linux.depaul.e= du/</a><br></blockquote></div><br> </div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span>____________________= ___________________________</span><br><span>DLC mailing list</span><br><span= ><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a></span>= <br><span><a href=3D"http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc">http://= mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc</a></span><br><span>Use the Above Li= nk to Unsubcribe!!</span><br><span><a href=3D"http://linux.depaul.edu/">http= ://linux.depaul.edu/</a></span></div></blockquote></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-99AC48BC-9E0E-4C5B-88F0-380D5CB17785-- --===============8034253327921354134== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ DLC mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.depaul.edu/mailman/listinfo/dlc Use the Above Link to Unsubcribe!! http://linux.depaul.edu/ --===============8034253327921354134==--