Re: Reasonable deal for pre-ordering Ubuntu tablets

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Hi,

On 5 April 2016 at 18:12, Kathinka <[email protected]> wrote:

> That's an interesting approach to communication, Gene.  Good on you for
> finding something that works for you.
> Personally I'd rather spend the rest of my life watching Days of our Lives
> than spending days of my life among people whose rules for discourse put
> such a high value on being anodyne, but that's just me, and Tomas, and
> Dutch and Germans in general.
>

Believe me, I feel the same way about spending time with people who are
unceasingly rude, which is why I'm unsubscribing from this list.

I've been here from the very beginning, and always stuck around because I'm
passionate about Linux and open source, and I wanted the opportunity to
help people out. Over the last five years or so the tone of this list has
become more and more toxic. One by one I watched as several of my peers
left after receiving more abuse than they should have to. I always stuck
through it because I could always just ignore the list.

I still want to help people out though. I'm still working at Canonical, and
I'm still happy to talk about how we build the distro, what I see on the
horizon (OMG! Exciting things!), and pretty much anything else. To achieve
this, I've created a new mailing list:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/dunlug-moderated

Right now it's an open list (so, not really "moderated"), but I'll play the
role of fascist dictator and squash any messages that get out of line (if
anyone would like to join me in the admin seat, please email me and I'll
set it up). Is it ideal? clearly not. Is it better than enduring repeated
ass-hattery on a mailing list that's lost many of it's technical
contributors? absolutely.

I apologise if this email makes the situation worse for those of you still
left on the list. It's written from a place of emotion, rather than logic,
and certainly isn't in an 'NVC' style. Right now though, I'm too upset to
care: DunLug as a community has failed. We've let ourselves get dragged
down into the gutter, to the point where it's not much more than a place to
bitch and moan about things we don't like. I remember the glory days, where
we were an open welcoming group, hosted technical talks, had a software and
book library, met every few weeks, ran competitions, helped organise
LCA.... See how far we've fallen? And for what?

If it turns out I'm the only one who feels this way I guess
dunlug-moderated will be a pretty quiet list. I encourage you all to join -
let's turn dunlug back into something resembling it's former self.


Cheers,
-- 
Thomi Richards

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Hi,</div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at 18:12, Kathinka <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
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dth:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">=
That&#39;s an interesting approach to communication, Gene.=C2=A0 Good on yo=
u for finding something that works for you.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">Personally I&#39;d rather spen=
d the rest of my life watching Days of our Lives than spending days of my l=
ife among people whose rules for discourse put such a high value on being a=
nodyne, but that&#39;s just me, and Tomas, and Dutch and Germans in general=
. =C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"></div></font></span></blockquo=
te></div><br>Believe me, I feel the same way about spending time with peopl=
e who are unceasingly rude, which is why I&#39;m unsubscribing from this li=
st.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra">I&#39;ve been here from the very beginning, and always stuck around bec=
ause I&#39;m passionate about Linux and open source, and I wanted the oppor=
tunity to help people out. Over the last five years or so the tone of this =
list has become more and more toxic. One by one I watched as several of my =
peers left after receiving more abuse than they should have to. I always st=
uck through it because I could always just ignore the list.=C2=A0</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I still want to=
 help people out though. I&#39;m still working at Canonical, and I&#39;m st=
ill happy to talk about how we build the distro, what I see on the horizon =
(OMG! Exciting things!), and pretty much anything else. To achieve this, I&=
#39;ve created a new mailing list:=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/for=
um/#!forum/dunlug-moderated">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/dunlug=
-moderated</a><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra">Right now it&#39;s an open list (so, not really &quot;moderate=
d&quot;), but I&#39;ll play the role of fascist dictator and squash any mes=
sages that get out of line (if anyone would like to join me in the admin se=
at, please email me and I&#39;ll set it up). Is it ideal? clearly not. Is i=
t better than enduring repeated ass-hattery on a mailing list that&#39;s lo=
st many of it&#39;s technical contributors? absolutely.</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div>I apologise if this email makes the sit=
uation worse for those of you still left on the list. It&#39;s written from=
 a place of emotion, rather than logic, and certainly isn&#39;t in an &#39;=
NVC&#39; style. Right now though, I&#39;m too upset to care: DunLug as a co=
mmunity has failed. We&#39;ve let ourselves get dragged down into the gutte=
r, to the point where it&#39;s not much more than a place to bitch and moan=
 about things we don&#39;t like. I remember the glory days, where we were a=
n open welcoming group, hosted technical talks, had a software and book lib=
rary, met every few weeks, ran competitions, helped organise LCA.... See ho=
w far we&#39;ve fallen? And for what?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>If it =
turns out I&#39;m the only one who feels this way I guess dunlug-moderated =
will be a pretty quiet list. I encourage you all to join - let&#39;s turn d=
unlug back into something resembling it&#39;s former self.</div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature">=
Thomi Richards<br></div>
</div></div>

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