Re: Reasonable deal for pre-ordering Ubuntu tablets
Kathinka <[email protected]> Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:12:48 +1200
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--===============9104404367321953028== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143f2ac59c28d052fb6bede --001a1143f2ac59c28d052fb6bede Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That's an interesting approach to communication, Gene. Good on you for finding something that works for you. Personally I'd rather spend the rest of my life watching Days of our Lives than spending days of my life among people whose rules for discourse put such a high value on being anodyne, but that's just me, and Tomas, and Dutch and Germans in general. Kathinka. On 5 April 2016 at 14:30, Gene <[email protected]> wrote: > Since we're providing personal viewpoints, I found the comment in > question dissapointing, and highly atypical of what's in my own work > and personal email. A valid comment regarding UI/UX was less effective > because it was phrased in a rude and condescending manner. > > You can be both frank *and* polite, they're not mutually exclusive. I > also think it's a non sequitur to construe a request for civil > discourse as censorship. "Please be more considerate" is not at all > similar to "Please stop talking about topic X" > > The reason that people generally take care to be polite is it tends to > lead to better interactions, productivity, and teamwork - in my > personal experience this has consistently been true. > > Certainly there are diverse views on what, exactly, is polite. My rule > of thumb is that if I would be happy to put a sentence into a cover > letter for a job application, it's probably polite enough for most > people. > > On 4 April 2016 at 08:20, worik <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 02/04/16 16:04, Chris Burgess wrote: > >> Being hostile about the choices of others, including their decisions > >> to contribute to projects we aren't part of, or to use software we > >> don't use, is unlikely to contribute to helping others discover free > >> software. > > I missed that. I went back and checked the thread. I still missed it. > > > > Is it that someone said "Tough shit if this upsets designer types ..." > > about their attitude to said types "...who want to impose their > > post-verbal art-ahead-of-communication passion on us". > > > > I think it is a very vanilla comment and typical of email. And I myself > > am astounded by the desperation to "...impose their post-verbal > > art-ahead-of-communication..." on computing, especially the web (OMFG > > JavaScript!! Enough already!). I try not to be profane BUT we should > > not be distracted from the very real point that was made. > > _______________________________________________ > DunLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug > DunLUG Wiki - http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/ > --001a1143f2ac59c28d052fb6bede Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,= serif">That's an interesting approach to communication, Gene.=C2=A0 Goo= d on you for finding something that works for you.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D= "gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">Personally I'd rath= er spend the rest of my life watching Days of our Lives than spending days = of my life among people whose rules for discourse put such a high value on = being anodyne, but that's just me, and Tomas, and Dutch and Germans in = general. =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:geor= gia,serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:geor= gia,serif">Kathinka.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at 14:30, Gene <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>>= </span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .= 8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Since we're providing = personal viewpoints, I found the comment in<br> question dissapointing, and highly atypical of what's in my own work<br= > and personal email. A valid comment regarding UI/UX was less effective<br> because it was phrased in a rude and condescending manner.<br> <br> You can be both frank *and* polite, they're not mutually exclusive. I<b= r> also think it's a non sequitur to construe a request for civil<br> discourse as censorship. "Please be more considerate" is not at a= ll<br> similar to "Please stop talking about topic X"<br> <br> The reason that people generally take care to be polite is it tends to<br> lead to better interactions, productivity, and teamwork - in my<br> personal experience this has consistently been true.<br> <br> Certainly there are diverse views on what, exactly, is polite. My rule<br> of thumb is that if I would be happy to put a sentence into a cover<br> letter for a job application, it's probably polite enough for most<br> people.<br> <span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br> On 4 April 2016 at 08:20, worik <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">root@= worik.org</a>> wrote:<br> > On 02/04/16 16:04, Chris Burgess wrote:<br> >> Being hostile about the choices of others, including their decisio= ns<br> >> to contribute to projects we aren't part of, or to use softwar= e we<br> >> don't use, is unlikely to contribute to helping others discove= r free<br> >> software.<br> > I missed that.=C2=A0 I went back and checked the thread.=C2=A0 I still= missed it.<br> ><br> > Is it that someone said "Tough shit if this upsets designer types= ..."<br> > about their attitude to said types "...who want to impose their<b= r> > post-verbal art-ahead-of-communication passion on us".<br> ><br> > I think it is a very vanilla comment and typical of email.=C2=A0 And I= myself<br> > am astounded by the desperation to "...impose their post-verbal<b= r> > art-ahead-of-communication..." on computing, especially the web (= OMFG<br> > JavaScript!!=C2=A0 Enough already!).=C2=A0 I try not to be profane BUT= we should<br> > not be distracted from the very real point that was made.<br> <br> </span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">____________________________= ___________________<br> DunLUG mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><= br> <a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug</a><br> DunLUG Wiki - <a href=3D"http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/</a></div></div></blockquo= te></div><br></div> --001a1143f2ac59c28d052fb6bede-- --===============9104404367321953028== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRHVuTFVHIG1h aWxpbmcgbGlzdApEdW5MVUdAbGlzdHMuZXRoZXJuYWwub3JnCmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5ldGhlcm5h bC5vcmcvbGlzdGluZm8vZHVubHVnCkR1bkxVRyBXaWtpIC0gaHR0cDovL2R1bmx1Zy5rYWxsaXN0 aS5uZXQubnov --===============9104404367321953028==--