Re: Meeting Minutes November 29, 2006 - Web Development
Michael Bond <[email protected]> Sun, 3 Dec 2006 12:45:09 -0500
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--===============1430581139== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-29631906 --Apple-Mail-5-29631906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed It all depends on your target audience. On my personal website, i don't care how it looks in Internet Explorer, i didn't test it in IE while developing it, and i'm not even sure i've ever seen it in IE. In fact there is (or should be at least), a big red block that displays for IE users telling them I haven't tested it with IE and it may not look correct and give it a go with Firefox. I have tested it with Firefox, Safari, and Opera and it looks fine in all those web browsers (which, for the most part, follow the w3c recommended standards). However, on the web pages that I develop for WVU Libraries i MUST make them work equally as well in Internet explorer as they do in Firefox. I have to, I don't have a choice. Likewise a company that is selling a product has to make their website work in IE. IE is the dominate browser right now, to not display properly in IE would mean losing business. Just because a web browser is 'bad' doesn't mean that you can just ignore it under all situations. The reason I spent a good bit of time discussing some of the hacks for IE is because IE is the one that is hard to get working correctly. If you follow the standards while developing a page it will work fine in most modern web browsers ... chances are you will have to tweak your CSS or DOM handling for Internet explorer. The trick to enacting change in the case of web browsers is to first convince companies that they should be developing to the w3c recommended standards, so that their web pages display properly in any web browser on any operating system. Until that happens people will still be reliant on Internet Explorer. I'd like to make a side comment that, with the exception of WVU web pages, i haven't been blocked from using a website that I wanted to using Firefox for a good year to year and a half. Mike. [email protected] On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Turnbull wrote: > I notice a lot of attention has been given to matters of formatting > hacks devised explicitly for IE 6. At what point would it be more > rational not to bother with them at all? If for instance 70% of > visitors were still using Mosaic or Netscape 2, would it make sense > to develop for those? > > I have to wonder how many Internet Explorer users might not > consider doing so if every website they visited didn't render > perfectly. > > -- > Andrew Turnbull > _______________________________________________ > Morlug mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.morlug.org/mailman/listinfo/morlug --Apple-Mail-5-29631906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It all depends on your = target audience.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>On my personal website, i = don't care how it looks in Internet Explorer, i didn't test it in IE = while developing it, and i'm not even sure i've ever seen it in IE. In = fact there is (or should be at least), a big red block that displays for = IE users telling them I haven't tested it with IE and it may not look = correct and give it a go with Firefox.=A0I have tested it with Firefox, = Safari, and Opera and it looks fine in all those web browsers (which, = for the most part, follow the w3c recommended standards).</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>However, on the web pages = that I develop for WVU Libraries i MUST make them work equally as well = in Internet explorer as they do in Firefox. I have to, I don't have a = choice.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Likewise a company that is = selling a product has to make their website work in IE. IE is the = dominate browser right now, to not display properly in IE would mean = losing business.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Just because a web browser = is 'bad' doesn't mean that you can just ignore it under all = situations.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The reason I spent a good = bit of time discussing some of the hacks for IE is because IE is the one = that is hard to get working correctly. If you follow the standards while = developing a page it will work fine in most modern web browsers ... = chances are you will have to tweak your CSS or DOM handling for Internet = explorer.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The trick to enacting = change in the case of web browsers is to first convince companies that = they should be developing to the w3c recommended standards, so that = their web pages display properly in any web browser on any operating = system. Until that happens people will still be reliant on Internet = Explorer.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I'd like to make a side = comment that, with the exception of WVU web pages, i haven't been = blocked from using a website that I wanted to using Firefox for a good = year to year and a half.=A0</DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = "><DIV>Mike.</DIV><DIV><A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A></DIV><= DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> = </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Dec 3, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Turnbull = wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE = type=3D"cite">I notice a lot of attention has been given to matters of = formatting hacks devised explicitly for IE 6.=A0 At what point would it = be more rational not to bother with them at all?=A0 If for instance 70% = of visitors were still using Mosaic or Netscape 2, would it make sense = to develop for those? <BR><BR>I have to wonder how many Internet = Explorer users might not consider doing so if every website they visited = didn't render perfectly.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Andrew Turnbull<DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; = ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Morlug mailing list</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A></D= IV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><A = href=3D"http://mailman.morlug.org/mailman/listinfo/morlug">http://mailman.= morlug.org/mailman/listinfo/morlug</A></DIV> = </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>= --Apple-Mail-5-29631906-- --===============1430581139== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Morlug mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.morlug.org/mailman/listinfo/morlug --===============1430581139==--