Debian GNU/Hurd

Brian O'Keefe <[email protected]> Sun, 7 Apr 2024 17:08:52 -0600
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Howdy

I have been installing Debian GNU/Hurd 11 into a QEMU VM. I like the 
fact that it doesn't use the linux kernel so a further bit down the road 
to FOSS. Anyway, I have downloaded the 20323 NET.iso from the Debian 
GNU/Hurd repository and installed it. Once installed it's beautiful and 
I installed gnumeric and GIMP for testing. On a first reboot I can log 
in via Debian console and then I run startx to get an XFCE4 desktop. It 
uses the lightdm. However, there is no way to cleanly shut the VM down 
and I resort to quitting which means on next boot up I get a fsck as it 
wasn't shutdown properly. Once that is done and I get a console prompt I 
login and run startx. I get some wait time and then the menu bar at the 
top, a dock at the bottom and a black screen with a black X cursor. I've 
restarted lightdm to no avail. I can provide more details if anyone is 
interested in this. It sure looks like a very good effort at getting a 
GNU/Hurd, operable, OS out there.

Here's what I've been using for info. BTW, the QEMU img that the website 
says you can run is true. You can run it, but it is some very weird 
version of a very antique GNU/Hurd distro. I would love to get this 
working beyond this X window issue.

For now it is essentially a time killer as I've reinstalled it probably 
20 times with always the same result.

Cheers

Brian

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    <p>Howdy</p>
    <p>I have been installing Debian GNU/Hurd 11 into a QEMU VM. I like
      the fact that it doesn't use the linux kernel so a further bit
      down the road to FOSS. Anyway, I have downloaded the 20323 NET.iso
      from the Debian GNU/Hurd repository and installed it. Once
      installed it's beautiful and I installed gnumeric and GIMP for
      testing. On a first reboot I can log in via Debian console and
      then I run startx to get an XFCE4 desktop. It uses the lightdm.
      However, there is no way to cleanly shut the VM down and I resort
      to quitting which means on next boot up I get a fsck as it wasn't
      shutdown properly. Once that is done and I get a console prompt I
      login and run startx. I get some wait time and then the menu bar
      at the top, a dock at the bottom and a black screen with a black X
      cursor. I've restarted lightdm to no avail. I can provide more
      details if anyone is interested in this. It sure looks like a very
      good effort at getting a GNU/Hurd, operable, OS out there.</p>
    <p>Here's what I've been using for info. BTW, the QEMU img that the
      website says you can run is true. You can run it, but it is some
      very weird version of a very antique GNU/Hurd distro. I would love
      to get this working beyond this X window issue.</p>
    <p>For now it is essentially a time killer as I've reinstalled it
      probably 20 times with always the same result.</p>
    <p>Cheers</p>
    <p>Brian <br>
    </p>
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