Re: [activities] Nomination: Michael Chesterton

*"I believe you are indulging in a substantial amount of exaggeration
there."

*You're free to beleive what you like, and damn it - we know you will.*

**"the guy who starts the car
with the modified muffler within spitting distance of my bedroom window
at 4am"*

Oh noes !
 The shock, the horror, the public scrutiny. I feel shamed and harmed by
your sexist assumption that it had to be a "guy" with the loud car, even if
you know for sure it is - I am bothered by the meaning......I need
counciling.

Speaking of council :
I'm going to whigne to the council and character assasinate some  poor sod
with my fading community powers, failing that, I'll try bandwagon him on
irc.
*
"Then those equal out the ones who I personally know that express similar
notions, but in reverse."*

Were you after cookies? or a packet of peanutts?
I seldom post on irc at all(that is, if I'm even connected), I rarely ever
post on slug and I don't know a single community member nor do they know me
- I just watch.
I call either bluff or straight bs, but who knows ...or cares.
*
'm not entirely sure which incident you are referring to
here, unless it's the one you rage-quit from the other night. In which
case, refer to the pub scene above.

*Wrong person*,* sorry.*

*I think judging by the amount of people that were clearly against your
antics this afternoon and evening in irc that you are not quite as esteemed
as you'd like to beleive.*

You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that all sexism is in the
past. It is not.*

You seem to be making the mistake of thinking anyone in SLUG gives a sh**
about your obsession with sexism and how we supposedly display it.
There again you have made it evident that you are absoloutely obsessed with
the idea of sexism and I think it consumes your very soul.

It must be hard.
*
*T.







On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Melissa Draper <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 17:30 +1100, Blindraven wrote:
>> Melissa.
>>
>> I find your seemingly pro-fem-activist approach to every comment that
>> comes out of anyone's mouth that has anything to do with the opposite
>> gender in general to be proportionally inappropriate and completely
>> unnecessary.
>
> I believe you are indulging in a substantial amount of exaggeration
> there.
>
>> I have witnessed on a few occasions times where you have completely
>> (and un-provoked) come out of your usual idle status to rip people
>> apart and in some cases make them feel uncomfortable being in SLUG at
>> all.
>
> I take no shame in voicing my opinion, and I do it on a variety of
> subjects. Drivers who engage in low-flying, the guy who starts the car
> with the modified muffler within spitting distance of my bedroom window
> at 4am, unsatisfactory quality in software, false advertising, etc.
>
> When people joining the community are encouraged to join a channel
> purported to be centric on free/open source and its advocacy they do not
> expect to walk in to a scene from a seedy bar.
>
> So, if I join (or look at the dialog of) a free/open source software
> community channel which meets the description posed above, I will
> express my discontent. I take no shame in that either.
>
>> These occasions more-often-than otherwise did not involve you or any
>> sexual connotations or innuendos  thereon.
>
> This is the second time you have asserted that one has to be invited to
> speak. You may want to let the rest of the channel know that
> conversations are invite only. I was not made aware of this until now.
>
> An example of the non-connotative non-innuendos would be useful. You
> might have missed something.
>
>> At some point, you decided you'd be the judge of what is and is not
>> humorous, and what is and is not appropriate. You've also stepped in
>> on 2 members of the opposite sex having a laugh and liturally diverged
>> the situation ti to a sexual discrimination matter and proceeded to
>> drive them from the channel. This was just awe-inspiring.
>
> I am the judge of what I find humorous. I am the judge of what I feel is
> and is not appropriate. Suppressing opinions of the latter is how
> inappropriate things become the norm.
>
> But again, I'm not entirely sure which incident you are referring to
> here, unless it's the one you rage-quit from the other night. In which
> case, refer to the pub scene above.
>
>>  I feel you have taken it upon yourself to be the community Hyena and
>> I find this completely counter productive to the spirit of the team. I
>> also find the manner in which you so vocally force-promote your
>> maturity to be extremely aggressive and at the best of times
>> offensive, despite the fact you're supposedly trying to be some kind
>> of role model for females or some such (utter) junk.
>
> Hyena? I'm not laughing here.
>
> Nor am I trying to be anything to anyone.
>
>> I personally know several members of the community that have the same
>> thoughts but for the sake of peace have kept quiet, but when someone
>> else's progression as a human or otherwise is exploited by someone
>> else community influence I think it's time to say something.
>
> Then those equal out the ones who I personally know that express similar
> notions, but in reverse.
>
>> Riding the wave of legitimate past sexism for the purpose of present
>> discrimination is exploitative and spitefull to an almost sociopathic
>> degree.
>
> You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that all sexism is in the
> past. It is not.
>
> There's a phrase about the devil and his greatest trick being the
> illusion that he doesn't exist. I think it applies to this quite well.
>
>> T.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> 2009/3/9 Harrison Conlin <[email protected]>:
>> >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Lindsay Holmwood
>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>> I enjoy passive-aggressiveness as much as the next person, but could
>> > you please enumerate your concerns?
>> >>> Sure. In IRC, he regularly shouts out the name of male genitalia, and
>> > frequently makes sexual innuendos. Also, last month he was removed from
>> > the channel for doing an action of patting a female on the rear in a
>> > sexist manner.
>> >>
>> >> I wasn't going to say anything, but since the topic was raised...
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't the rear, it was the front :(
>> >
>> > For those who do not know the context of this, the term used was
'fanny'.
>> >
>> > The interpretation of that word depends greatly where you take your
>> > reference from:
>> >
>> > * The definition I grew up with, which I believe has en-gb heritage,
does
>> > mean the front [0].
>> >
>> > * However, if using the en-us definition (which due to Americanisation
now
>> > appears the predominantly accepted definition in .au), it is the rear
[1].
>> >
>> > In my experience, most people in .au do know both definitions of the
word.
>> > I find that those who choose to use it do so in ambiguous situations
for
>> > maximum shock/confusion/insult value -- with the intent on claiming the
US
>> > definition as their defense.
>> >
>> > I am choosing to take the stance of 'assuming stupidity rather than
>> > malice' in this instance, and hoping that Chesty merely meant the poor
>> > girl's rear...
>> >
>> > ... which is *still* inappropriate, and should not be tolerated. At
all.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Honestly, given the efforts we've been making in terms of addressing
>> > gender imbalance issues in the past couple of years, I think it would
be
>> > a massive step backwards if such behaviour was rewarded.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I agree wholeheartedly with this.
>> >
>> > I'd also like to point out that *everyone* can provide assistance to
SLUG
>> > and helping does not require Committee membership [2].
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > [0] Sorry, no link since I'm at work, and my desk is alongside the main
>> > thoroughfare. I did try search 'nomenclature fanny' but the results did
>> > not seem SFW, although the text for them might provide insight. Feel
free
>> > to Google for yourself though.
>> >
>> > [1] My mother has an amusing story from a seminar she attended many
many
>> > moons ago, where the speaker was an US American who complained how sore
>> > his 'fanny' was from the longhaul flight.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Melissa Draper
>> >
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>> > p: +61 4 0359 5395
>> >
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>>
>>
> --
> Melissa Draper
>
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> p: +61 4 0359 5395
>
>



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