Re: Trouble Filling Java Jobs

It has been my suspicion that we have an artificial crisis being created
whose artificial solution is offshore development.  I am not proposing a
conspiracy but here is how I think it goes.
- In the US it is as you have mentioned below.  If you have experience
or are already in a large company where you can somehow get involved in
a project using these technologies, you are golden.  Otherwise we are
relegated to those who have experience.
- I suspect it doesn't work that way overseas such as in India.
Everybody faces the same challenge but if they are willing to staff
based on education and ability/ potential, it would be possible for
people to receive training on these technologies and be put on jobs
without actual job experience.

If I am correct, I am not faulting any offshore companies as I believe
they are operating logically.  The people who are not operating
logically if indeed Rich is correct are the companies in the US.. And
they are creating an artificial crisis.

Ray 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Richard O. Hammer
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:02 PM
To: Java Users Group
Subject: Re: [Juglist] Trouble Filling Java Jobs

Don Brady wrote:
> I have posted two positions to the Jug job list ... 

> I am a little puzzled that we have got relatively few applicants.
> 
> Is there a shortage of such skills in the Triangle?

I would not be surprised if there is such a shortage because in my
experience there is definitely a shortage of ways to gain such skills,
in the Triangle and perhaps elsewhere as well.  Junior or entry-level
jobs seem almost nonexistent.  The catch seems to be you can't get a job
without experience and can't get experience without a job.

Almost all employers who say "Java" in job descriptions are looking for
mid-level or higher experience.  They usually expect experience in a
list of subjects beyond basic Java, such as J2EE, Oracle, EJB, struts,
CVS, Hibernate, Websphere, UML, and team development.

Most of these technologies beyond Java are difficult to learn without
having a job in a mid-sized or larger organization, because the problems
which motivated development of these technologies exist only in such
enterprises.  Or at least that is my theory.  There has to be some way
to forgive the architects of EJB and struts.  I hope someday to gain
experience which will make forgiveness easier for me.  But first it
would help if I could get a job where I walked a mile in the shoes of
those architects.

Rich Hammer
Sun certified as Programmer and Developer for the Java 2 platform,
Masters-level education in CS, with much experience except in: Oracle,
EJB, struts, CVS, Hibernate, Websphere, UML, and team development


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