Re: ReSpec and how it gets used
Michiel Bijl <[email protected]> Thu, 2 Jun 2016 20:25:32 +0200
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--Apple-Mail=_2CA674D8-104A-4366-9B51-63E643769427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Which is needless to tell you Shane, as you are in it. Regardless, is = your question whether it gets used outside of W3C? =E2=80=94Michiel > On 02 Jun 2016, at 20:23, Michiel Bijl <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > At APG we only use to link to branches during calls, that=E2=80=99s = pretty much it. >=20 > =E2=80=94Michiel >=20 >> On 11 May 2016, at 21:31, Shane McCarron <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>=20 >> As one of the ReSpec maintainers, I am often concerned that changes = we make to the implementation will break stuff. And given some recent = events, I think that concern is merited. >>=20 >> One question that keeps coming up is "how is ReSpec used?" Is it = only used by document editors and the publication system, is it also = used by the working groups and reviewers (in that they are looking at = live documents), or is it used even more broadly? >>=20 >> We know that ReSpec is used by communities outside of the W3C, for = example. >>=20 >> My basic concern can be characterized as "if we start using [insert = new cool browser feature] in ReSpec, will our constituents still be able = to use ReSpec?" Or, to turn that around, "Are there people using = ancient user agents actively accessing live documents written with = ReSpec?" >>=20 >> So, a few questions for the group: >> Do you have a feel for how ReSpec is being used? >> Is there a policy about how far "back" we need to continue supporting = user agents? >> Is there a way we can look at the W3C web server logs to get a feel = for what sorts of user agents are retrieving ReSpec from the W3C = servers? >> Would it be reasonable to provide some diagnostic information about = the user agent when we make a request to specref (so that we can do = analysis on usage)? Maybe only the first time a specific document is = requested (e.g., set a cookie)? >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Shane McCarron >> Projects Manager, Spec-Ops >=20 --Apple-Mail=_2CA674D8-104A-4366-9B51-63E643769427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">Which is needless to tell you Shane, as you are in it. = Regardless, is your question whether it gets used outside of W3C?<br = class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: = auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><span style=3D"color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: = auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; = display: inline !important;" class=3D"">=E2=80=94Michiel</span></div></div= > </div> <br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On 02 Jun 2016, at 20:23, Michiel Bijl <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">At APG we only = use to link to branches during calls, that=E2=80=99s pretty much it.<br = class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: = auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; = font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline = !important;" class=3D"">=E2=80=94Michiel</span></div></div> </div> <br class=3D""><div style=3D"" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 11 May 2016, at 21:31, Shane McCarron = <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"">As one of the ReSpec maintainers, I am often concerned that = changes we make to the implementation will break stuff. And given = some recent events, I think that concern is merited.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">One question that keeps coming up is = "how is ReSpec used?" Is it only used by document editors and the = publication system, is it also used by the working groups and reviewers = (in that they are looking at live documents), or is it used even more = broadly?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We = know that ReSpec is used by communities outside of the W3C, for = example.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My = basic concern can be characterized as "if we start using [insert new = cool browser feature] in ReSpec, will our constituents still be able to = use ReSpec?" Or, to turn that around, "Are there people using = ancient user agents actively accessing live documents written with = ReSpec?"</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So, a = few questions for the group:</div><div class=3D""><ol class=3D""><li = class=3D"">Do you have a feel for how ReSpec is being used?</li><li = class=3D"">Is there a policy about how far "back" we need to continue = supporting user agents?</li><li class=3D"">Is there a way we can look at = the W3C web server logs to get a feel for what sorts of user agents are = retrieving ReSpec from the W3C servers?</li><li class=3D"">Would it be = reasonable to provide some diagnostic information about the user agent = when we make a request to specref (so that we can do analysis on = usage)? Maybe only the first time a specific document is requested = (e.g., set a cookie)?</li></ol><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>-- <br class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div= dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Shane McCarron<div class=3D"">Projects Manager, = Spec-Ops</div></div></div></div></div> </div></div></div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br= class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_2CA674D8-104A-4366-9B51-63E643769427--