Re: ReSpec and how it gets used

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APA / ARIA is an interesting case, in that we try to not expose the raw
ReSpec to the public.  Since it is only "us" I am not super worried about
it.  But there are some groups that make their ReSpec sources public and
encourage use.  I was wondering how prevalent that is.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Michiel Bijl <[email protected]> wrote:

> Which is needless to tell you Shane, as you are in it. Regardless, is you=
r
> question whether it gets used outside of W3C?
>
> =E2=80=94Michiel
>
> On 02 Jun 2016, at 20:23, Michiel Bijl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> At APG we only use to link to branches during calls, that=E2=80=99s prett=
y much it.
>
> =E2=80=94Michiel
>
> On 11 May 2016, at 21:31, Shane McCarron <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> As one of the ReSpec maintainers, I am often concerned that changes we
> make to the implementation will break stuff.  And given some recent event=
s,
> I think that concern is merited.
>
> One question that keeps coming up is "how is ReSpec used?"  Is it only
> used by document editors and the publication system, is it also used by t=
he
> working groups and reviewers (in that they are looking at live documents)=
,
> or is it used even more broadly?
>
> We know that ReSpec is used by communities outside of the W3C, for exampl=
e.
>
> My basic concern can be characterized as "if we start using [insert new
> cool browser feature] in ReSpec, will our constituents still be able to u=
se
> ReSpec?"  Or, to turn that around, "Are there people using ancient user
> agents actively accessing live documents written with ReSpec?"
>
> So, a few questions for the group:
>
>    1. Do you have a feel for how ReSpec is being used?
>    2. Is there a policy about how far "back" we need to continue
>    supporting user agents?
>    3. Is there a way we can look at the W3C web server logs to get a feel
>    for what sorts of user agents are retrieving ReSpec from the W3C serve=
rs?
>    4. Would it be reasonable to provide some diagnostic information about
>    the user agent when we make a request to specref (so that we can do
>    analysis on usage)?  Maybe only the first time a specific document is
>    requested (e.g., set a cookie)?
>
>
>
> --
> Shane McCarron
> Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
>
>
>
>


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Shane McCarron
Projects Manager, Spec-Ops

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<div dir=3D"ltr">APA / ARIA is an interesting case, in that we try to not e=
xpose the raw ReSpec to the public.=C2=A0 Since it is only &quot;us&quot; I=
 am not super worried about it.=C2=A0 But there are some groups that make t=
heir ReSpec sources public and encourage use.=C2=A0 I was wondering how pre=
valent that is.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Michiel Bijl <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:b=
reak-word">Which is needless to tell you Shane, as you are in it. Regardles=
s, is your question whether it gets used outside of W3C?<span class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br><div>
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g:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family=
:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight=
:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-inde=
nt:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;d=
isplay:inline!important">=E2=80=94Michiel</span></div></div>
</div></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5">
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 02 Jun 2016, at 20:23, Michiel B=
ijl &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">michiel@agos=
to.nl</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">At A=
PG we only use to link to branches during calls, that=E2=80=99s pretty much=
 it.<br><div>
<div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-t=
ransform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><di=
v style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tran=
sform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><br><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-we=
ight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:no=
ne;display:inline!important">=E2=80=94Michiel</span></div></div>
</div>
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 11 May 2016, at 21:31, Shane McC=
arron &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">shane@spec=
-ops.io</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">As one of the ReSpec =
maintainers, I am often concerned that changes we make to the implementatio=
n will break stuff.=C2=A0 And given some recent events, I think that concer=
n is merited.<div><br></div><div>One question that keeps coming up is &quot=
;how is ReSpec used?&quot; =C2=A0Is it only used by document editors and th=
e publication system, is it also used by the working groups and reviewers (=
in that they are looking at live documents), or is it used even more broadl=
y?</div><div><br></div><div>We know that ReSpec is used by communities outs=
ide of the W3C, for example.</div><div><br></div><div>My basic concern can =
be characterized as &quot;if we start using [insert new cool browser featur=
e] in ReSpec, will our constituents still be able to use ReSpec?&quot; =C2=
=A0Or, to turn that around, &quot;Are there people using ancient user agent=
s actively accessing live documents written with ReSpec?&quot;</div><div><b=
r></div><div>So, a few questions for the group:</div><div><ol><li>Do you ha=
ve a feel for how ReSpec is being used?</li><li>Is there a policy about how=
 far &quot;back&quot; we need to continue supporting user agents?</li><li>I=
s there a way we can look at the W3C web server logs to get a feel for what=
 sorts of user agents are retrieving ReSpec from the W3C servers?</li><li>W=
ould it be reasonable to provide some diagnostic information about the user=
 agent when we make a request to specref (so that we can do analysis on usa=
ge)?=C2=A0 Maybe only the first time a specific document is requested (e.g.=
, set a cookie)?</li></ol><div><br></div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Shane McCarron<div>Projects Manager, S=
pec-Ops</div></div></div></div></div>
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></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div =
class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Shane McCarron<div>Projects Manager, Spec-Ops</div=
></div></div></div></div>
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