Re: Google Zero is coming [was Re: Wikipedia at 25: A Wake-Up Call (essay)]

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Hoi,
How does that raise more eyeballs to our data, to our projects. Why would
we build this to serve companies that raise CO2 with 35%?

Why support AI at all when it is killing our future!
Thanks,
      GerardM

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 at 19:30, Steven Walling via Wikimedia-l <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 9:52=E2=80=AFAM Erik Moeller via Wikimedia-l <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM James Heilman via Wikimedia-l
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Yah a search engine that actually gives real references that supports
>> the statements in question would be amazing.
>>
>> Almost like .. a Knowledge Engine. ;-)
>>
>
> Is the WMF building an MCP server to connect Wikipedia and Wikidata
> directly to Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT? This is a more lightweight,
> backdoor way to leverage the audience of those platforms but present
> structured outputs to AI chats for users based on Wikimedia knowledge. If
> we did so, we could present citations within the returned responses to
> users, and those platforms make it transparent to the user when they are
> calling a particular tool.
>
> Steven Walling
>
> Sadly, the only realistic path I see there would be through
>> acquisition, and even if that was financially feasible, you'd begin by
>> inheriting a lot of corporate practices that aren't really consistent
>> with Wikimedia values.
>>
>> But perhaps there is a middle ground where Wikimedia seeks to define
>> more clearly the terms of engagement that it wants with search engines
>> (clear attribution, clear and correct references, calls-to-edit,
>> etc.), and then finds and recognizes search partners who implement
>> those. To Luis' point, that need not be done by WMF.
>>
>> Warmly,
>>
>> Erik
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hoi,<div>How does that raise more eyeballs to our data, to=
 our projects.=C2=A0Why would we build this to serve companies that raise C=
O2 with 35%?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Why support AI at all when it i=
s killing our future!</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gera=
rdM</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 at 19:30, Steven Walling=
 via Wikimedia-l &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">wik=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, J=
ul 10, 2026 at 9:52=E2=80=AFAM Erik Moeller via Wikimedia-l &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wikimedia-l@lists=
.wikimedia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex">On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM James Heilman via Wik=
imedia-l<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wi=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Yah a search engine that actually gives real references that supports =
the statements in question would be amazing.<br>
<br>
Almost like .. a Knowledge Engine. ;-)<br></blockquote><div><br></div>Is th=
e WMF building an MCP server to connect Wikipedia and Wikidata directly to =
Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT? This is a more lightweight, backdoor way to le=
verage the audience of those platforms but present structured outputs to AI=
 chats for users based on Wikimedia knowledge.=C2=A0<span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color:transparent">If we did so, we could present citations within the r=
eturned responses to users, and those platforms make it transparent to the =
user when they are calling a particular tool.=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"ba=
ckground-color:transparent">=C2=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
span style=3D"background-color:transparent"><br></span></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent">Steven Walling=C2=
=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex">Sadly, the only realistic path I see there would be t=
hrough<br>
acquisition, and even if that was financially feasible, you&#39;d begin by<=
br>
inheriting a lot of corporate practices that aren&#39;t really consistent<b=
r>
with Wikimedia values.<br>
<br>
But perhaps there is a middle ground where Wikimedia seeks to define<br>
more clearly the terms of engagement that it wants with search engines<br>
(clear attribution, clear and correct references, calls-to-edit,<br>
etc.), and then finds and recognizes search partners who implement<br>
those. To Luis&#39; point, that need not be done by WMF.<br>
<br>
Warmly,<br>
<br>
Erik<br>
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