Re: Google Zero is coming [was Re: Wikipedia at 25: A Wake-Up Call (essay)]
Steven Walling via Wikimedia-l <[email protected]> Fri, 10 Jul 2026 11:05:31 -0700
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--===============1953250645595580217== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e6dfe90656459613" --000000000000e6dfe90656459613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 10:36=E2=80=AFAM Gerard Meijssen via Wikimedia-l < [email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > How does that raise more eyeballs to our data, to our projects. Why would > we build this to serve companies that raise CO2 with 35%? > > Why support AI at all when it is killing our future! > Thanks, > GerardM > Gerard, ChatGPT alone has over a billion monthly active users and these platforms are growing rapidly (note the survey data I linked to previously in thread). Everything Wikimedia does has a CO2 emissions cost. We are not carbon neutral today as far as I am aware, though I would bet many of us would agree that is a goal worth pursuing. Steven > On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 at 19:30, Steven Walling via Wikimedia-l < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 9:52=E2=80=AFAM Erik Moeller via Wikimedia-l < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM James Heilman via Wikimedia-l >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > Yah a search engine that actually gives real references that supports >>> the statements in question would be amazing. >>> >>> Almost like .. a Knowledge Engine. ;-) >>> >> >> Is the WMF building an MCP server to connect Wikipedia and Wikidata >> directly to Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT? This is a more lightweight, >> backdoor way to leverage the audience of those platforms but present >> structured outputs to AI chats for users based on Wikimedia knowledge. I= f >> we did so, we could present citations within the returned responses to >> users, and those platforms make it transparent to the user when they are >> calling a particular tool. >> >> Steven Walling >> >> Sadly, the only realistic path I see there would be through >>> acquisition, and even if that was financially feasible, you'd begin by >>> inheriting a lot of corporate practices that aren't really consistent >>> with Wikimedia values. >>> >>> But perhaps there is a middle ground where Wikimedia seeks to define >>> more clearly the terms of engagement that it wants with search engines >>> (clear attribution, clear and correct references, calls-to-edit, >>> etc.), and then finds and recognizes search partners who implement >>> those. To Luis' point, that need not be done by WMF. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> >>> Erik >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]= .org/message/HNDPDZBBDMILF7WGMUBVJVIAZYQ7OXOS/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]= org/message/IUDAKJRN5EQT5CCWEEYQXKDSVXCDBXR6/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]= rg/message/N7LFQLLPT6BSANTYFYPXHHQ6XYQX76GA/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org --000000000000e6dfe90656459613 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 10:36=E2=80=AFAM Gerard Meijss= en via Wikimedia-l <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">w= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D= "gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hoi,<div>How does that raise= more eyeballs to our data, to our projects.=C2=A0Why would we build this t= o serve companies that raise CO2 with 35%?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>W= hy support AI at all when it is killing our future!</div><div>Thanks,</div>= <div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 GerardM</div></div></blockquote><div dir=3D"auto"= ><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gerard,=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div= ><div dir=3D"auto">ChatGPT alone has over a billion monthly active users an= d these=C2=A0platforms are growing rapidly (note the survey data I linked t= o previously in thread).=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D= "auto">Everything Wikimedia does has a CO2 emissions cost. We are not carbo= n neutral today as far as I am aware, though I would bet many of us would a= gree that is a goal worth pursuing.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>= <div dir=3D"auto">Steven</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"></div><= /div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d= ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 at 19:30, Steven Wallin= g via Wikimedia-l <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" ta= rget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div></d= iv><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma= rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:= 1ex"></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gma= il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2= 04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><= div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul= 10, 2026 at 9:52=E2=80=AFAM Erik Moeller via Wikimedia-l <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= ikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin= g-left:1ex">On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM James Heilman via Wikim= edia-l<br> <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">wi= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > Yah a search engine that actually gives real references that supports = the statements in question would be amazing.<br> <br> Almost like .. a Knowledge Engine. ;-)<br></blockquote><div><br></div>Is th= e WMF building an MCP server to connect Wikipedia and Wikidata directly to = Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT? This is a more lightweight, backdoor way to le= verage the audience of those platforms but present structured outputs to AI= chats for users based on Wikimedia knowledge.=C2=A0<span style=3D"backgrou= nd-color:transparent">If we did so, we could present citations within the r= eturned responses to users, and those platforms make it transparent to the = user when they are calling a particular tool.=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"ba= ckground-color:transparent">=C2=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><= span style=3D"background-color:transparent"><br></span></div><div class=3D"= gmail_quote"><span style=3D"background-color:transparent">Steven Walling=C2= =A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2= 04);padding-left:1ex">Sadly, the only realistic path I see there would be t= hrough<br> acquisition, and even if that was financially feasible, you'd begin by<= br> inheriting a lot of corporate practices that aren't really consistent<b= r> with Wikimedia values.<br> <br> But perhaps there is a middle ground where Wikimedia seeks to define<br> more clearly the terms of engagement that it wants with search engines<br> (clear attribution, clear and correct references, calls-to-edit,<br> etc.), and then finds and recognizes search partners who implement<br> those. To Luis' point, that need not be done by WMF.<br> <br> Warmly,<br> <br> Erik<br> _______________________________________________<br> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>, guidelines at: <= a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists= /Guidelines</a> and <a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l"= rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim= edia-l</a><br> Public archives at <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/w= [email protected]/message/HNDPDZBBDMILF7WGMUBVJVIAZYQ7OXOS/" r= el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/= list/[email protected]/message/HNDPDZBBDMILF7WGMUBVJVIAZYQ7OX= OS/</a><br> To unsubscribe send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ikimedia.org" target=3D"_blank">wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org</a></= blockquote></div></div> _______________________________________________<br> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>, guidelines at: <= a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists= /Guidelines</a> and <a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l"= rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim= edia-l</a><br></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid = rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Public archives at <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/w= [email protected]/message/IUDAKJRN5EQT5CCWEEYQXKDSVXCDBXR6/" r= el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/= list/[email protected]/message/IUDAKJRN5EQT5CCWEEYQXKDSVXCDBX= R6/</a><br> To unsubscribe send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ikimedia.org" target=3D"_blank">wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org</a></= blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= rg" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>, guidelines at: <= a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines" rel=3D"= noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists= /Guidelines</a> and <a href=3D"https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l"= rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim= edia-l</a><br> Public archives at <a href=3D"https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/w= [email protected]/message/N7LFQLLPT6BSANTYFYPXHHQ6XYQX76GA/" r= el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/= list/[email protected]/message/N7LFQLLPT6BSANTYFYPXHHQ6XYQX76= GA/</a><br> To unsubscribe send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ikimedia.org" target=3D"_blank">wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org</a></= blockquote></div></div> --000000000000e6dfe90656459613-- --===============1953250645595580217== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/B2F3RXET6C7O5YAW5XPXLQS5N3IZAVC2/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org --===============1953250645595580217==--