Re: you guys' work promotes my mental health

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Well, to be honest, we don't have the vanity license plates or a team of mo=
unties standing guard in front of our houses while we program on OpenBSD dr=
ug-dealing software in the U=2ES=2E, and U=2ES=2E contributions are general=
ly unwelcome to the OpenBSD project anyways=2E

What would J=2ED=2E Vance say? I do believe it's about time for Americans =
to get off the property of woke socialists and communists who are colluding=
 and imposing other secret and hidden sanctions and refusing to let us use =
*their* software anyways=2E Berkeley, CA is part of the USA after all=2E I =
do think we need to re-conquer the BSD's from the Canadians and their cop-c=
alling Karens=2E

It's essentially Canada/EU-only nation-state-level intellectual property, =
and German hackers keep having us SWATTED by our own politically partisan l=
ocal unionized beat cops on false reports from compromised police stations =
with fake and forged charging documents in court if we do any such programm=
ing work on any such software on our own property=2E


On March 28, 2025 2:49:57 PM PDT, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower=2Ecom> wrote=
:
>Um =E2=80=A6 might I suggest?
>
>This discussion has wandered quite far from anything related to OpenBSD=
=2E While I=E2=80=99m sure there are many here sympathetic to your comments=
, this really isn=E2=80=99t the appropriate venue for them=2E
>
>Cheers,
>
>b&
>
>> On Mar 28, 2025, at 1:54=E2=80=AFPM, justina colmena ~biz <justina@colm=
ena=2Ebiz> wrote:
>>=20
>> "Freemen on the land also advocate schemes to avoid taxes"
>>=20
>> Such as voting down the said taxes=2E Unless there is some other scheme=
 in place to tax people against their collective will=2E
>>=20
>> "Je ne contracte pas" =E2=80=94 so whatever it was I didn't agree to it=
=2E Somebody else's agreement=2E What about all those shrink wrap license a=
greements on commercial software offerings? After you've paid for them and =
can no longer get your money back by returning the item you paid for=2E
>>=20
>> =E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in Ancap/Libertarianism when =
I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 There's g=
ot to be a good reason for enacting and enforcing some kind of "law" other =
than just a bunch of petty rules to punish people just for the sake of puni=
shing them=2E
>>=20
>> For example, a lot of people are too lazy to mow their own lawns, but t=
hen they go to court with service of process and summons to appear to force=
 their neighbors to mow their lawns to their expectations=2E In which case =
I suppose a blade of grass a fraction of an inch too long that tickles your=
 bare foot is a prime example of "neuroatypy" unless it's actually against =
the law to go barefoot on your own lawn in neighborhoods like that=2E
>>=20
>>=20
>> On March 28, 2025 9:59:34 AM PDT, Sylvain Saboua <sylvain@saboua=2Eme> =
wrote:
>>> Oh, I see ! You're from the =E2=80=9CCommon Law v Maritime Law,=E2=80=
=9D =E2=80=9CFree Man on the Land=E2=80=9D [1] bunch=2E I've enjoyed this c=
onspiracy theory a lot, in France we had the =E2=80=9Cje ne contracte pas=
=E2=80=9D [2] stemming from it just last year=2E But French law stems from =
Napoleonic Civil Code, i=2Ee=2E continental law, which is ; little to do wi=
th Common Law=2E=2E=2E Anyways=2E
>>>=20
>>> [1] https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land_movement
>>> [2] https://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/clip/UgkxWnBY9qjby4Uw71PwEZ3EvFhlKiWRq=
kB9
>>>=20
>>> In the end, I believe this all stems from the misplaced free associati=
on thought (or misplaced =E2=80=9Cright brain=E2=80=9D more or less)=2E As =
somebody else says, =E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in Ancap/Libe=
rtarianism when I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=E2=80=9D
>>>=20
>>> Enjoy
>>>=20
>>> On 2025-03-28 14:58, justina colmena ~biz wrote:
>>>> The shrinks got too litigious, and "mental health" is practiced as a
>>>> branch of "law" alongside "intellectual property" and other matters
>>>> that are either "imaginary" or "all in your head" =2E=2E=2E
>>>>=20
>>>> There are laws against "simulating legal process" over such imaginary
>>>> matters etc=2E
>>>> <https://law=2Ejustia=2Ecom/codes/alaska/title-11/chapter-56/article-=
4/section-11-56-620/>
>>>> but such laws are never enforced, because even without a Constitution
>>>> the law itself can't be illegal in a court of law, and even if it
>>>> were, the attorneys can't prosecute themselves or else they'd put
>>>> themselves out of business for their own practices=2E
>>>>=20
>>>> The "law" itself by definition being whatever "lawyers" keep
>>>> themselves in business practicing and billing for=2E Unless you think
>>>> you can be successful in court as yet another crackpot mentally ill
>>>> "pro se" petitioner with a flat tire or another speeding ticket or
>>>> traffic violation on the way to court you must answer, with paying of=
f
>>>> all your parking tickets and getting your vehicle released from city
>>>> hall impound after court, but your own petitions are just going to be
>>>> professionally dismissed for failure to appear at any one of those
>>>> numerous perfunctory court hearings for filing a suit=2E Cops have
>>>> grappling hooks and shoot-out axle nets to physically disable and sto=
p
>>>> your vehicle on the road now=2E That's why the real pro lawyers alway=
s
>>>> hail a cab or take Uber or Lyft to court because you can't even
>>>> consider driving or parking your own vehicle in a hostile red-light
>>>> district=2E
>>>>=20
>>>> On March 28, 2025 2:48:29 AM PDT, sylvain@saboua=2Eme wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 2025-03-28 07:01, justina colmena ~biz wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Thursday, March 27, 2025 8:51:35=E2=80=AFAM Pacific Daylight Time=
 izzy
>>>>> Meyer wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Curious why you chose to invalidate this person's experience that
>>>>> they
>>>>> made themselves vulnerable about=2E Sure- you have your views on
>>>>> things,
>>>>> and that's totally cool=2E But maybe try being a bit more forgiving =
of
>>>>> someone who, again, made themselves vulnerable next time?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> People serve process with mental health allegations that sticks
>>>>> worse than a
>>>>> felony record in court for the rest of a person's life, and they
>>>>> want others
>>>>> to be forgiving of them?
>>>>=20
>>>> Oh ! I think I get you=2E I had the impression that you were sympathe=
tic
>>>> to
>>>> antipsychiatry, especially given the related posts on your blog=2E I'=
m
>>>> still
>>>> not very sure but =2E=2E=2E I've never been charged for anything crim=
inal or
>>>> against
>>>> the law, you're making quite a broad generalization here=2E
>>>> When talking about mental illness and the aforementioned soothing I
>>>> get from
>>>> obsd and suckless, I was alluding to the relative cognitive overload
>>>> undeliberately enforced by other projects which seems mostly absent
>>>> from these
>>>> two =E2=80=93 as hinted at in the title of my page UNIX=2Ehtml @sabou=
a=2Exyz
>>>>=20
>>>>> Mental health services, like those of astrologers or magicians,
>>>>> psychics,
>>>>> tarot card readers, palmists, have gained far too much of a sheen of
>>>>> legitimacy (or color of law, as it were) in court for service of
>>>>> process and
>>>>> summons to appear -- Say does a person really have an organic
>>>>> "mental illness"
>>>>> of known etiology? Or is it simply a case of simulated legal process
>>>>> with a
>>>>> catch-all diagnosis to make a person appear "formally mad" in a
>>>>> court of law
>>>>> for some other legal summons?
>>>>=20
>>>> That's right=2E A lot of diagnoses are abusive, esp=2E when consideri=
ng
>>>> the prevalent
>>>> traumatic liminal state that pervades among our relatives within
>>>> society=2E But as
>>>> for me I attribute this to Big Pharma's lucrative motive, not legal
>>>> summons which
>>>> I've seen cases of while at the ward=2E
>>>>=20
>>>>> Absolutely no morality is inherent in the "law" just because it's
>>>>> the law=2E
>>>>=20
>>>> Precisely=2E Legal is not necessarily moral=2E
>>>>=20
>>>> Sylvain Saboua
>>>=20
>

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mod=
e: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir=3D"auto">Well, to be hon=
est, we don't have the vanity license plates or a team of mounties standing=
 guard in front of our houses while we program on OpenBSD drug-dealing soft=
ware in the U=2ES=2E, and U=2ES=2E contributions are generally unwelcome to=
 the OpenBSD project anyways=2E<br><br>What would J=2ED=2E Vance say? I do =
believe it's about time for Americans to get off the property of woke socia=
lists and communists who are colluding and imposing other secret and hidden=
 sanctions and refusing to let us use *their* software anyways=2E Berkeley,=
 CA is part of the USA after all=2E I do think we need to re-conquer the BS=
D's from the Canadians and their cop-calling Karens=2E<br><br>It's essentia=
lly Canada/EU-only nation-state-level intellectual property, and German hac=
kers keep having us SWATTED by our own politically partisan local unionized=
 beat cops on false reports from compromised police stations with fake and =
forged charging documents in court if we do any such programming work on an=
y such software on our own property=2E<br></div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"auto">On March 28, 2025 2:49:57 PM PDT, Ben Goren &lt;b=
en@trumpetpower=2Ecom&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204=
); padding-left: 1ex;">
Um =E2=80=A6 might I suggest?<div><br></div><div>This discussion has wande=
red quite far from anything related to OpenBSD=2E While I=E2=80=99m sure th=
ere are many here sympathetic to your comments, this really isn=E2=80=99t t=
he appropriate venue for them=2E</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div=
><br></div><div>b&amp;<br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 28, 2025, at 1:54=E2=80=AFPM, justina co=
lmena ~biz &lt;justina@colmena=2Ebiz&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-int=
erchange-newline"><div><div><div dir=3D"auto">"Freemen on the land also adv=
ocate schemes to avoid taxes"<br><br>Such as voting down the said taxes=2E =
Unless there is some other scheme in place to tax people against their coll=
ective will=2E<br><br>"Je ne contracte pas" =E2=80=94 so whatever it was I =
didn't agree to it=2E Somebody else's agreement=2E What about all those shr=
ink wrap license agreements on commercial software offerings? After you've =
paid for them and can no longer get your money back by returning the item y=
ou paid for=2E<br><br>=E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in Ancap/Li=
bertarianism when I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=94 There's got to be a good reason for enacting and enforcing some k=
ind of "law" other than just a bunch of petty rules to punish people just f=
or the sake of punishing them=2E<br><br>For example, a lot of people are to=
o lazy to mow their own lawns, but then they go to court with service of pr=
ocess and summons to appear to force their neighbors to mow their lawns to =
their expectations=2E In which case I suppose a blade of grass a fraction o=
f an inch too long that tickles your bare foot is a prime example of "neuro=
atypy" unless it's actually against the law to go barefoot on your own lawn=
 in neighborhoods like that=2E</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"auto">On March 28, 2025 9:59:34 AM PDT, Sylvain Saboua &lt;sylvain@=
saboua=2Eme&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding=
-left: 1ex;">
<pre class=3D"k9mail"><div dir=3D"auto">Oh, I see ! You're from the =E2=80=
=9CCommon Law v Maritime Law,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CFree Man on the Land=E2=80=
=9D [1] bunch=2E I've enjoyed this conspiracy theory a lot, in France we ha=
d the =E2=80=9Cje ne contracte pas=E2=80=9D [2] stemming from it just last =
year=2E But French law stems from Napoleonic Civil Code, i=2Ee=2E continent=
al law, which is ; little to do with Common Law=2E=2E=2E Anyways=2E<br><br>=
[1] <a href=3D"https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land_moveme=
nt">https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land_movement</a><br>[=
2] <a href=3D"https://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/clip/UgkxWnBY9qjby4Uw71PwEZ3EvFhl=
KiWRqkB9">https://www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/clip/UgkxWnBY9qjby4Uw71PwEZ3EvFhlKiWR=
qkB9</a><br><br>In the end, I believe this all stems from the misplaced fre=
e association thought (or misplaced =E2=80=9Cright brain=E2=80=9D more or l=
ess)=2E As somebody else says, =E2=80=9CI stopped nurturing any interest in=
 Ancap/Libertarianism when I realized it is but yet another neuroatypy=2E=
=E2=80=9D<br><br>Enjoy<br><br>On 2025-03-28 14:58, justina colmena ~biz wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex=
 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"a=
uto">The shrinks got too litigious, and "mental health" is practiced as a<b=
r>branch of "law" alongside "intellectual property" and other matters<br>th=
at are either "imaginary" or "all in your head" =2E=2E=2E<br><br>There are =
laws against "simulating legal process" over such imaginary<br>matters etc=
=2E<br>&lt;<a href=3D"https://law=2Ejustia=2Ecom/codes/alaska/title-11/chap=
ter-56/article-4/section-11-56-620/">https://law=2Ejustia=2Ecom/codes/alask=
a/title-11/chapter-56/article-4/section-11-56-620/</a>&gt;<br>but such laws=
 are never enforced, because even without a Constitution<br>the law itself =
can't be illegal in a court of law, and even if it<br>were, the attorneys c=
an't prosecute themselves or else they'd put<br>themselves out of business =
for their own practices=2E<br><br>The "law" itself by definition being what=
ever "lawyers" keep<br>themselves in business practicing and billing for=2E=
 Unless you think<br>you can be successful in court as yet another crackpot=
 mentally ill<br>"pro se" petitioner with a flat tire or another speeding t=
icket or<br>traffic violation on the way to court you must answer, with pay=
ing off<br>all your parking tickets and getting your vehicle released from =
city<br>hall impound after court, but your own petitions are just going to =
be<br>professionally dismissed for failure to appear at any one of those<br=
>numerous perfunctory court hearings for filing a suit=2E Cops have<br>grap=
pling hooks and shoot-out axle nets to physically disable and stop<br>your =
vehicle on the road now=2E That's why the real pro lawyers always<br>hail a=
 cab or take Uber or Lyft to court because you can't even<br>consider drivi=
ng or parking your own vehicle in a hostile red-light<br>district=2E<br><br=
>On March 28, 2025 2:48:29 AM PDT, sylvain@saboua=2Eme wrote:<br><br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; bor=
der-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"auto">On 2025-=
03-28 07:01, justina colmena ~biz wrote:<br><br>On Thursday, March 27, 2025=
 8:51:35=E2=80=AFAM Pacific Daylight Time izzy<br>Meyer wrote:<br><br>Curio=
us why you chose to invalidate this person's experience that<br>they<br>mad=
e themselves vulnerable about=2E Sure- you have your views on<br>things,<br=
>and that's totally cool=2E But maybe try being a bit more forgiving of<br>=
someone who, again, made themselves vulnerable next time?<br><br>People ser=
ve process with mental health allegations that sticks<br>worse than a<br>fe=
lony record in court for the rest of a person's life, and they<br>want othe=
rs<br>to be forgiving of them?<br></div></blockquote><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
Oh ! I think I get you=2E I had the impression that you were sympathetic<br=
>to<br>antipsychiatry, especially given the related posts on your blog=2E I=
'm<br>still<br>not very sure but =2E=2E=2E I've never been charged for anyt=
hing criminal or<br>against<br>the law, you're making quite a broad general=
ization here=2E<br>When talking about mental illness and the aforementioned=
 soothing I<br>get from<br>obsd and suckless, I was alluding to the relativ=
e cognitive overload<br>undeliberately enforced by other projects which see=
ms mostly absent<br>from these<br>two =E2=80=93 as hinted at in the title o=
f my page UNIX=2Ehtml @saboua=2Exyz<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa=
8; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"auto">Mental health services, like those=
 of astrologers or magicians,<br>psychics,<br>tarot card readers, palmists,=
 have gained far too much of a sheen of<br>legitimacy (or color of law, as =
it were) in court for service of<br>process and<br>summons to appear -- Say=
 does a person really have an organic<br>"mental illness"<br>of known etiol=
ogy? Or is it simply a case of simulated legal process<br>with a<br>catch-a=
ll diagnosis to make a person appear "formally mad" in a<br>court of law<br=
>for some other legal summons?<br></div></blockquote><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
That's right=2E A lot of diagnoses are abusive, esp=2E when considering<br>=
the prevalent<br>traumatic liminal state that pervades among our relatives =
within<br>society=2E But as<br>for me I attribute this to Big Pharma's lucr=
ative motive, not legal<br>summons which<br>I've seen cases of while at the=
 ward=2E<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0p=
t 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"><div=
 dir=3D"auto">Absolutely no morality is inherent in the "law" just because =
it's<br>the law=2E<br></div></blockquote><div dir=3D"auto"><br>Precisely=2E=
 Legal is not necessarily moral=2E<br><br>Sylvain Saboua<br></div></blockqu=
ote><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></pre></blockquote></div></div></div></bloc=
kquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>
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