SalmDyck-Ortega

Steve, sorry, I don't understand all this yet.  Are you saying that Ortega's 
naming of this agave was not legitimate?  And if so, then why couldn't 
Salm-Dyck describe it with the same name, since the name scabra was not 
legitimately published?  (In effect Salm-Dyck would have then been 
describing the entity for the first time).  Regardless, it seems to me that 
Agave scacra is a prime candidate for a nomen conserv.  BB


>From: "Steve" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [AGAVACEAE] SalmDyck-Ortega-Jacobi
>Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:55:08 -0800
>
>Dear Breck,
>
>The name Agave scabra Ortega appeared in a rather obscure publication by 
>the Spanish author and its rediscovery resulted in the name change of two 
>different species of Agavaceae. The new species proposed by Ortega were not 
>listed in Index Kewensis and had long been overlooked by European and 
>American authors. That Jacobi had renamed Salm-Dyck's species is a result 
>of coincidence and poor communication rather than intentionally correcting 
>an error.
>
>Agave asperrima Jacobi, Hamb. Gart. Zeit. 20: 561 (1864)
>syn. Agave scabra Salm-Dyck, Bonplandia 7: 89 (1859) not Ortega (1797)
>        Agave caeciliana A.Berger, Die Agaven 147 (1915)
>
>Manfreda scabra (Ortega) McVaugh, Flora Novo-Galiciana 15: 234 (1989)
>syn. Agave scabra Ortega, Decades 13 (1797)
>        Agave brachystachya Cavanilles, Descr. 453 (1802)
>        Manfreda brachystachys (Cavanilles) Rose, Contrib. U.S. Nat. Herb. 
>8: 20 (1903)
>[The species has a much more extensive synonymy.]
>
>Cereusly Steve
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: B B
>   To: [email protected]
>   Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:34 PM
>   Subject: [AGAVACEAE] SalmDyck-Ortega-Jacobi
>
>
>
>   Dear Steverino, thanks for the heads-up on victoria instead of 
>ferdinand.  A
>   question: if Agave scabra was described by Ortega in 1797 and is not 
>used,
>   when did Jacobi name it?  1797 is pretty damned early! :)  Breck
>
>   >From: "Steve" <[email protected]>
>
>   >Dear Ken,
>   >
>   [snip]
>   >Agave scabra Salm-Dyck (1859) is an invalid homonym of Agave scabra 
>Ortega
>   >(1797). The species is correctly named Agave asperrima Jacobi.
>
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