Re: Congestion as a good thing

_*FYI*_

*Manfred Treber wrote: *
The general idea is:

We cannot get rid of congestion - although that many roads [against
which we fought] had been built, the congestion situation in cities
did not really improve.

Best policy is to restrict space for individual cars. In taking away
lanes and improve public transport (e.g. new tram lines* or bus lanes)
But in many cities political decisions to implement this and to
improve the situation in the city don't get the support of majority.

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Jeroen Verhoeven schrieb: *
/*So if I understand well, the general idea is to accept congestion as
something good because it is the best we can get when it seems there is
no way of actually improving the situation? */


*Manfred Treber wrote: *
Yes, you have described the essence with these words.
I would add: (as something good) and unavoidable ...



K. Tsourlakis wrote:
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>> So if I understand well, I have been reading arguments basically saying that
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>>     * congestion and and overdose of cars is a good tool fight the damage and nuisance caused by cars. So the more congestion the better?
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> Congestion is not a tool but a symptom of the car oriented transport system.
> There is no absolutely good or bad thing - whatever is good for someone may be bad for someone else and vice versa. Congestion is very very bad for car users. For pedestrians and bikers is something indifferent - in some cases it may be even a good thing
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>> Of course building more roads should not be the alternative to congestion, but  I understood the discussion was about reducing the number of cars on the road.
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>> Is congestion better to reduce the negative impacts of cars on the environment than reducing the number of cars on the road, even if these fewer cars may drive a longer distance?
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> The only way to reduce the negative impacts of cars on the environment is to reduce car use. It seems to me that programms aiming at congestion reduction, eco-driving etc are like aspirins to someone suffering from a serious disease. Their main and only long lasting outcome is to disorient the only efficient way to reduce the negative impacts of cars on the environment ie. to reduce car use.
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>> Looking at the increasing impact of cars on the environment over the past decades. These impacts are still rising, together with increasing congestion.
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