Re: Agroforestry Versus Permaculture: Which Approach to Use for a Community Food Forest | Chelsea Green Publishing

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Steve Hart <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Good question Darrell...why indeed ?..lazy ? small mindedness ? academics
> who are too arrogant to attend a full PDC?..there is no argument nor any
> comparative advantage ?...Steve Hart
>

It is all in how you frame your view of the world. The permaculture lens is
always ready for you to use to synchronize your
most positive experiences in this world with the vast libraries of
information it provides and take you to another plane of existence.
It provides focus, not limitations. I really like Mollison's statement that
the only limitation to a permaculture design is the imagination of the
designer.
Then comes the workload, made easier by your knowing you are on the best
path possible as you travel along the paths of the natural world.
Seriously though, consider a site design task, look through the lens of
permaculture and your mind will be filled with possibilities that tap the
most advanced
knowledge that science and technology has to offer. At ground level
everything we have learned in our lifetimes, applied selectively, is
useful. Like biofeedback our ideas cycle in and out of a permaculture
design in progress,
some gaining momentum, some fading, some becoming more prominent,
progressing through the design process in synergy with arrays of
possibilities, merging and synchronizing until it all comes together. This
is how I see PC design.

Steve: I intend to reply to your recent post, about your work in Europe
with emerging PC groups and community projects. I remember seeing your
pictures of the sewage treatment project in a greenhouse with a pyramid.
Is the plant still in operation? I follow the Balkan Ecology Project in
Facebook and enjoy reading about their market gardening projects and site
development.

One thing I have learned is that a shovel is a more powerful tool than a
tractor; you go much slower and much more carefully. I know from
experience. Another principle is to tread as lightly on the land as is
humanly possible. I know about this too. Buy some land; don't drive on it
except on the road to the homestead. Walk only where you have work to do;
leave the rest untouched.

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> On 29 July 2018 at 11:19, "Darrell E. Frey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On a more thorough reading of this I find it a specious and unnecessary
> > argument.  Why do they say these things indeed ?
> >
> >
> > Darrell E. Frey
> > Three Sisters Permaculture
> > [email protected]
> > www.threesisterspermaculture.com
> >
> > Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society
> > Publishing, 2011,  Co-Author; Food Forest Handbook, New Society
> Publishing,
> > 2017
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:35:09 -0400, Lawrence London  wrote:
> >
> > https://www.chelseagreen.com/2018/agroforestry-vs-
> > permaculture/?utm_source=CGP+Newsletter&utm_campaign=
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> >
> > [Why do they say these things. Agroforestry comes under the umbrella of
> > permaculture. That ought to be obvious.]
> >
> > *"Which Approach to Use?*
> >
> > One way to think about the difference between agroforestry and
> permaculture
> > is that agroforestry is a discipline and permaculture is a worldview.
> > *Agroforestry* is a set of scientific practices designed to achieve
> > financial and environmental goals. *Permaculture* practices are largely
> > based on environmental observations and ideas about nurturing
> relationships
> > between the land and people. *Using one or the other approach when
> > designing a community food forest will lead to slightly different
> planning
> > and management decisions.*
> >
> > So, what do agroforestry and permaculture look like in a community food
> > forest? Permaculture can provide vast and growing stores of human energy
> in
> > the form of volunteers and project leaders from broad networks. Many
> people
> > practice permaculture, and it continues to grow in popularity. Use of
> > permaculture practices such as forest gardens, water catchment (a piped
> > water system), and zones and sectors can shape the overall layout and
> > visual quality of a community food forest.
> >
> > Agroforestry provides the science that can help with technical design and
> > maintenance strategies of a food forest project—how to manage
> combinations
> > of trees, shrubs, and crops. Some agroforestry researchers are interested
> > in studying community food"
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