Re: Agroforestry Versus Permaculture: Which Approach to Use for a Community Food Forest | Chelsea Green Publishing

Thanks LL...that pyramid sewage facility was far to efficient. It didn't
make engineers or chemical companies any money. The facility was in Pitesti
a city in Romania. It was designed and built by a faculty of the university
and per usual they measured every element including financial efficiency
proving it was 17,000% more efficient than any other system in the world.
Sewage is a gold chip investment by engineers who now control every
municipal facility in the world. It is now moth balled, a skeleton. Steve

Kia ora Ehoa

*Steve Hart*
*Ecology Architect*

Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
and Systems Ecology via Ecological Agriculture..​


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On 29 July 2018 at 17:02, Lawrence London <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Steve Hart <[email protected]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Good question Darrell...why indeed ?..lazy ? small mindedness ? academics
> > who are too arrogant to attend a full PDC?..there is no argument nor any
> > comparative advantage ?...Steve Hart
> >
>
> It is all in how you frame your view of the world. The permaculture lens is
> always ready for you to use to synchronize your
> most positive experiences in this world with the vast libraries of
> information it provides and take you to another plane of existence.
> It provides focus, not limitations. I really like Mollison's statement that
> the only limitation to a permaculture design is the imagination of the
> designer.
> Then comes the workload, made easier by your knowing you are on the best
> path possible as you travel along the paths of the natural world.
> Seriously though, consider a site design task, look through the lens of
> permaculture and your mind will be filled with possibilities that tap the
> most advanced
> knowledge that science and technology has to offer. At ground level
> everything we have learned in our lifetimes, applied selectively, is
> useful. Like biofeedback our ideas cycle in and out of a permaculture
> design in progress,
> some gaining momentum, some fading, some becoming more prominent,
> progressing through the design process in synergy with arrays of
> possibilities, merging and synchronizing until it all comes together. This
> is how I see PC design.
>
> Steve: I intend to reply to your recent post, about your work in Europe
> with emerging PC groups and community projects. I remember seeing your
> pictures of the sewage treatment project in a greenhouse with a pyramid.
> Is the plant still in operation? I follow the Balkan Ecology Project in
> Facebook and enjoy reading about their market gardening projects and site
> development.
>
> One thing I have learned is that a shovel is a more powerful tool than a
> tractor; you go much slower and much more carefully. I know from
> experience. Another principle is to tread as lightly on the land as is
> humanly possible. I know about this too. Buy some land; don't drive on it
> except on the road to the homestead. Walk only where you have work to do;
> leave the rest untouched.
>
> >
> > Kia ora Ehoa
> >
> > *Steve Hart*
> > *Ecology Architect*
> >
> > Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> > Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> > and Systems Ecology via Ecological Agriculture..
> >
> >
> > *Skype: tipenemanawaPhone: +64 220 75 62 11*
> >
> >
> >
> > The Permaculture International College
> > https://permacultureeducation.com/
> > https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 July 2018 at 11:19, "Darrell E. Frey" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On a more thorough reading of this I find it a specious and unnecessary
> > > argument.  Why do they say these things indeed ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Darrell E. Frey
> > > Three Sisters Permaculture
> > > [email protected]
> > > www.threesisterspermaculture.com
> > >
> > > Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society
> > > Publishing, 2011,  Co-Author; Food Forest Handbook, New Society
> > Publishing,
> > > 2017
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:35:09 -0400, Lawrence London  wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.chelseagreen.com/2018/agroforestry-vs-
> > > permaculture/?utm_source=CGP+Newsletter&utm_campaign=
> > > 9c8056738e-CGP_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_07_27&utm_medium=email&
> > > utm_term=0_1f480ae12f-9c8056738e-7970469&mc_cid=
> > > 9c8056738e&mc_eid=fbea706efe
> > >
> > > [Why do they say these things. Agroforestry comes under the umbrella of
> > > permaculture. That ought to be obvious.]
> > >
> > > *"Which Approach to Use?*
> > >
> > > One way to think about the difference between agroforestry and
> > permaculture
> > > is that agroforestry is a discipline and permaculture is a worldview.
> > > *Agroforestry* is a set of scientific practices designed to achieve
> > > financial and environmental goals. *Permaculture* practices are largely
> > > based on environmental observations and ideas about nurturing
> > relationships
> > > between the land and people. *Using one or the other approach when
> > > designing a community food forest will lead to slightly different
> > planning
> > > and management decisions.*
> > >
> > > So, what do agroforestry and permaculture look like in a community food
> > > forest? Permaculture can provide vast and growing stores of human
> energy
> > in
> > > the form of volunteers and project leaders from broad networks. Many
> > people
> > > practice permaculture, and it continues to grow in popularity. Use of
> > > permaculture practices such as forest gardens, water catchment (a piped
> > > water system), and zones and sectors can shape the overall layout and
> > > visual quality of a community food forest.
> > >
> > > Agroforestry provides the science that can help with technical design
> and
> > > maintenance strategies of a food forest project—how to manage
> > combinations
> > > of trees, shrubs, and crops. Some agroforestry researchers are
> interested
> > > in studying community food"
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