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I find itstrange -- very strange -- Sam, that you feel somehow obligated to=
repeatedly warn people about my assessments of the cases I gave where theex=
tremes of PC backfired.=20
Inaddition to the current one, University of Virginia, now much in the medi=
a withRolling Stone retracting all and trying to apologize , I gave only tw=
oothers in my just sent message: the Duke Lacrosse matter where allcharges =
were dropped, the accused students totally cleared, and the prosecutingDist=
rict Attorney removed from office and then disbarred -- and thepolygamy cas=
e where the highest Texas courts stated they could no evidenceof abuse and =
ordered the several hundred children returned to theirparents, which was th=
en done.=20
As Irecall, you said in both instances that you had not followed those case=
s much,if at all -- although I posted a great deal on them. Infact, you -- =
yourself -- are quoted on my Duke/Lacrosse page literally to thateffect.
My shortanswer to you, or to anyone concerned about the accuracy of my asse=
ssments, issimply and politely: read the links I provided in my early morni=
ng postof today.
All best,
Hunter Bear
SAM WRITES THIS MORNING:
I am not convinced by what Hunter writes on this topic. He lists a lot of c=
ases where he says his skepticism was right, but Ihave rarely been convince=
d by him or the press that we really know whathappened. I come closest to b=
eing convinced in relation to the Mormon ase.
Igenerally have little interest in media blow ups of these sorts that focus=
onindividual incidents, and tend not to put too much credence in it when t=
hey"turn out to have been frauds." The media abound with lies andhipsters t=
rying to spin tales of innocence and guilt. Sometimes theseissues are impor=
tant, like the Scottsboro case or, on another more contemporarycase, the Fo=
rt Lee case, as a couple of clear examples. But we almostnever get a defini=
tive solution to them, though the media often claim they dugout the truth.
These arethe same media who assured us there were WMD in Iraq, and lie on s=
o much else,or let themselves be fooled, as when they report what the polic=
e say as havingconsiderable truth value.
On thisone, I will not get too involved, but would not take the reports Hun=
ter pointsto as definitive. This may be a situation where the administrativ=
einvestigation by Teresa Sullivan et al. May be the most believable report.=
Or not.
I am sureHunter believes he is right in what he says. I respect him in many=
ways, but Ialso tend to be skeptical of what some have termed "thespectacl=
e."=20
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq / St. Francis Abenaki / =
St. Regis Mohawk=20
Protected by Na=C2=B4shdo=C2=B4i=C2=B4ba=C2=B4i=C2=B4=20
and Ohkwari' . Check out our massive social justice website:=20
www.hunterbear.org=20
Member, National Writers Union AFL-CIO=20
Core dimensions of my Community Organizing course:
http://www.labornet.org/news/0000/hbear.htm
My expanded/updated "Organizer's Book,"=20
JACKSON MISSISSIPPI -- with a new 10,000=20
word introduction by me. Covers much of my=20
confrontational social justice organizing life to=20
date. Contains much how-to grassroots organizing=20
methodology: http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm
See this for mini-bio, efforts to prevent JM=E2=80=99s appearance in
Mississippi, a wide range of its many reviews, and some
photos: http://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Salter/e/B001KMEHWY/ref=3Dntt_dp_epwb=
k_0
The Stormy Adoption of an Indian Child [My Father]:=20
http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm=20
(Photos)=20
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</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">I find it
strange -- very strange -- Sam, that you feel somehow obligated to
repeatedly warn people about my assessments of the cases I gave where =
the
extremes of PC backfired. </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times Ne=
w Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">In
addition to the current one, University of Virginia, now much in the media =
with
Rolling Stone retracting all and trying to apologize , I gave only two
others in my just sent message: the Duke Lacrosse matter where a=
ll
charges were dropped, the accused students totally cleared, and the prosecu=
ting
District Attorney removed from office and then disbarred -- and the
polygamy case where the highest Texas courts stated they could no evid=
ence
of abuse and ordered the several hundred children returned to their
parents, which was then done. </font></span></b></p><font face=
=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">As I
recall, you said in both instances that you had not followed those cases mu=
ch,
if at all -- although I posted a great deal on them. I=
n
fact, you -- yourself -- are quoted on my Duke/Lacrosse page literally to t=
hat
effect.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">My short
answer to you, or to anyone concerned about the accuracy of my assessments,=
is
simply and politely: read the links I provided in my early morning po=
st
of today.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">All best,</font></span></b></p>=
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</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">Hunter Bear</font></span></b></=
p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
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"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">SAM WRITES THIS MORNING:</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times =
New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"=
3">I am not convinced by what Hunter writes on this topic.
He lists a lot of cases where he says his skepticism was right, but I
have rarely been convinced by him or the press that we really know what
happened. I come closest to being convinced in relation to the Mormon
ase.</font></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><fo=
nt face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">I
generally have little interest in media blow ups of these sorts that focus =
on
individual incidents, and tend not to put too much credence in it when they
"turn out to have been frauds." The media abound with lies and
hipsters trying to spin tales of innocence and guilt. Sometimes these
issues are important, like the Scottsboro case or, on another more contempo=
rary
case, the Fort Lee case, as a couple of clear examples. But we almost
never get a definitive solution to them, though the media often claim they =
dug
out the truth.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"=
3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><fo=
nt face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">These are
the same media who assured us there were WMD in Iraq, and lie on so much el=
se,
or let themselves be fooled, as when they report what the police say as hav=
ing
considerable truth value.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roma=
n" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><fo=
nt face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">On this
one, I will not get too involved, but would not take the reports Hunter poi=
nts
to as definitive. This may be a situation where the administrative
investigation by Teresa Sullivan et al. May be the most believable report.
Or not.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3=
">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
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</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">I am sure
Hunter believes he is right in what he says. I respect him in many ways, bu=
t I
also tend to be skeptical of what some have termed "the
spectacle." <br>
<br>
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roma=
n" size=3D"3">
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HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq / St. Francis Abenaki / =
St. Regis Mohawk=20
<br>
Protected by Na=C2=B4shdo=C2=B4i=C2=B4ba=C2=B4i=C2=B4=20
<br>
and Ohkwari' . Check out our massive social justice website:=20
<br>
www.hunterbear.org=20=20
<br>
Member, National Writers Union AFL-CIO=20
<br>
<br>
Core dimensions of my Community Organizing course:
<br>
http://www.labornet.org/news/0000/hbear.htm
<br>
<br>
My expanded/updated "Organizer's Book,"=20
<br>
JACKSON MISSISSIPPI -- with a new 10,000=20
<br>
word introduction by me. Covers much of my=20
<br>
confrontational social justice organizing life to=20
<br>
date. Contains much how-to grassroots organizing=20
<br>
methodology: http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm
<br>
<br>
See this for mini-bio, efforts to prevent JM=E2=80=99s appearance in
<br>
Mississippi, a wide range of its many reviews, and some
<br>
photos: http://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Salter/e/B001KMEHWY/ref=3Dntt_dp_ep=
wbk_0
<br>
<br>
The Stormy Adoption of an Indian Child [My Father]:=20
<br>
http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm=20=20
<br>
(Photos)=20
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