Re: [BearwWthoutBorders] [SycamoreCanyon] "Politiiical correctness" -- or, good taste and good sense
"'Hunter Gray'
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Dear Kass;
Thanks for your good letter.And, personally, it=E2=80=99s always good to he=
arfrom you. I am saving your letter and thoughts.
On Fox news:it is not my regular =E2=80=9Cwatch=E2=80=9D but there areoccas=
ions when it deals with issues that CNN and MSNBC won=E2=80=99t touch or at=
leastwon=E2=80=99t touch fully.In this case, RollingStone and UVA,the Fox =
piece was alittle more recent than that of Washington Post.But, very soon, =
Rolling Stone made a fullretraction.It=E2=80=99s clear what=E2=80=99s happe=
nedat UVAand no amount of verbiage by somemedia pundits can alter the fact =
that innocent guys were hurt.This has to be seen as a setback to thejustice=
cause both you and I and many others have always supported.
My note to Sam Friedman was notattached to yours.I have put it on this=E2=
=80=93 and, as you may have noted, I gave three links where the extremes of=
PC and totallyungroundedcharges of abuse, constituted a major disaster and=
hurt manypeople: UVA , Duke Lacrosse, and the Western polygamists.In all o=
f these, the alleged =E2=80=9Cabusers=E2=80=9D havebeen shown to be innocen=
t and victimized.There are other such cases as well.
None of this negates, of course, thefact that there are many cases indeed o=
f bona fide abuse which,as you note and I know, include many notknown broad=
ly.But the kind ofwitch-hunting approaches sometimes found in these situati=
ons constitute travestieson civil liberty and justice in general -- approac=
hes lacking careful priorinvestigation, often characterized by sloppy repor=
ting, sometimes marked by akind of hysteria, and featuring rushes to judgme=
nt with the burden of proof onthe accused.
I am sure that we both agree that nogood cause or purpose is thereby well s=
erved.
I will post all of this broadly.
Life hereabouts continues about asalways. Ups and downs, challenges here an=
d there.Like you, we keep fighting.
Eldri joins me in sending our verybest.
Solidarity, Hunter or John
Respectfully:
This conversation might benefit frommoving away from Fox News and consideri=
ng, for instance, the Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-clai=
ms-of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b9=
0abdc_story.html
Speaking as a certified rape victimadvocate in the state of Illinois, and a=
twice certified DV advocate in thestate of Colorado, I see the =E2=80=9Cco=
ntradictory=E2=80=9D/=E2=80=9Cconfusing" details as laidout by the Post as =
*extremely common* for survivors of acute trauma. I won'telaborate beyond s=
aying that the only rebuttal being offered is that =E2=80=9Cdetailsconflict=
,=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CWe didn=E2=80=99t do it.=E2=80=9D=20
Those two rebuttals are the mostcommon offered, and are the reason why sexu=
al assault cases are rarely (25%)prosecuted, and rarely (10%) bring convict=
ions.
The rarity of prosecution andconviction is a major reason why most of the U=
S populace marinates in rapeculture, which then perpetuates the problem, et=
c. etc.
One of five college students aresexually assaulted during their undergradua=
te years, and almost none willreport or participate in prosecutions (in IL,=
the police can bring chargeswithout the survivor=E2=80=99s participation, =
but non-s/he-said evidence is rarelyavailable; in fact, juries have been po=
isoned by such TV shows as CSI: SVU,which create an impression that DNA evi=
dence is easy to come by=E2=80=94when,especially in cases of sexual violenc=
e, it is rarely available).
Dating and domestic violence is outof control on college campuses in the US=
(not to mention our overall society),and dismissive terms like =E2=80=9CP.=
C.,=E2=80=9D and unreliable narrators like Fox News, arepart of the problem=
. They offer no solution.
ANYWAY, all the (FEMALE) Presidentdid was ban fraternities =E2=80=9Ctill th=
e end of the semester=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94=E2=80=94i.e., till tomorrow.
No *real* injustice as of yet=E2=80=94
=E2=80=94right? Since stories about =E2=80=9Cfalse=E2=80=9Drape charges go =
viral, while the huge number of actual assaults are=E2=80=A6snuffedout? If =
I may.
No real injustice except for*whatever* happened to this young woman, who, t=
o date, has consciously, andconsistently, refused to name the two offenders=
she does know.
Cheers,
I find itstrange -- very strange -- Sam, that you feel somehow obligated to=
repeatedly warn people about my assessments of the cases I gave where theex=
tremes of PC backfired.=20
Inaddition to the current one, University of Virginia, now much in the medi=
a withRolling Stone retracting all and trying to apologize , I gave only tw=
oothers in my just sent message: the Duke Lacrosse matter where allcharges =
were dropped, the accused students totally cleared, and the prosecutingDist=
rict Attorney removed from office and then disbarred -- and thepolygamy cas=
e where the highest Texas courts stated they could no evidenceof abuse and =
ordered the several hundred children returned to theirparents, which was th=
en done.=20
As Irecall, you said in both instances that you had not followed those case=
s much,if at all -- although I posted a great deal on them. Infact, you -- =
yourself -- are quoted on my Duke/Lacrosse page literally to thateffect.
My shortanswer to you, or to anyone concerned about the accuracy of my asse=
ssments, issimply and politely: read the links I provided in my early morni=
ng postof today.
All best,
HunterBear
HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq / St. Francis Abenaki / =
St. Regis Mohawk=20
Protected by Na=C2=B4shdo=C2=B4i=C2=B4ba=C2=B4i=C2=B4=20
and Ohkwari' . Check out our massive social justice website:=20
www.hunterbear.org=20
Member, National Writers Union AFL-CIO=20
Core dimensions of my Community Organizing course:
http://www.labornet.org/news/0000/hbear.htm
My expanded/updated "Organizer's Book,"=20
JACKSON MISSISSIPPI -- with a new 10,000=20
word introduction by me. Covers much of my=20
confrontational social justice organizing life to=20
date. Contains much how-to grassroots organizing=20
methodology: http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm
See this for mini-bio, efforts to prevent JM=E2=80=99s appearance in
Mississippi, a wide range of its many reviews, and some
photos: http://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Salter/e/B001KMEHWY/ref=3Dntt_dp_epwb=
k_0
The Stormy Adoption of an Indian Child [My Father]:=20
http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm=20
(Photos)=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Kass Fleisher [email protected] [SycamoreCanyon] [mailto:Sycamore=
[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 02:01 AM
To: 'Friends of Hunter Bear'
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],=20
[email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BearwWthoutBorders] [SycamoreCanyon] "Political correctness" =
-- or, good taste and good sense
Respectfully:
This conversation might benefit from moving away from Fox News and consider=
ing, for instance, the Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-clai=
ms-of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b9=
0abdc_story.html
Speaking as a certified rape victim advocate in the state of Illinois, and =
a twice certified DV advocate in the state of Colorado, I see the =E2=80=9C=
contradictory=E2=80=9D/=E2=80=9Cconfusing" details as laid out by the Post =
as *extremely common* for survivors of acute trauma. I won't elaborate beyo=
nd saying that the only rebuttal being offered is that =E2=80=9Cdetails con=
flict,=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CWe didn=E2=80=99t do it.=E2=80=9D=20
Those two rebuttals are the most common offered, and are the reason why sex=
ual assault cases are rarely (25%) prosecuted, and rarely (10%) bring convi=
ctions.
The rarity of prosecution and conviction is a major reason why most of the =
US populace marinates in rape culture, which then perpetuates the problem, =
etc. etc.
One of five college students are sexually assaulted during their undergradu=
ate years, and almost none will report or participate in prosecutions (in I=
L, the police can bring charges without the survivor=E2=80=99s participatio=
n, but non-s/he-said evidence is rarely available; in fact, juries have bee=
n poisoned by such TV shows as CSI: SVU, which create an impression that DN=
A evidence is easy to come by=E2=80=94when, especially in cases of sexual v=
iolence, it is rarely available).
Dating and domestic violence is out of control on college campuses in the U=
S (not to mention our overall society), and dismissive terms like =E2=80=9C=
P.C.,=E2=80=9D and unreliable narrators like Fox News, are part of the prob=
lem. They offer no solution.
ANYWAY, all the (FEMALE) President did was ban fraternities =E2=80=9Ctill t=
he end of the semester=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94=E2=80=94i.e., till tomorrow.
No *real* injustice as of yet=E2=80=94
=E2=80=94right? Since stories about =E2=80=9Cfalse=E2=80=9D rape charges go=
viral, while the huge number of actual assaults are=E2=80=A6snuffed out? I=
f I may.
No real injustice except for *whatever* happened to this young woman, who, =
to date, has consciously, and consistently, refused to name the two offende=
rs she does know.
Cheers,
kass
On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I am not convinced by what Hunter writes on this topic. He lists a lot of c=
ases where he says his skepticism was right, but I have rarely been convinc=
ed by him or the press that we really know what happened. I come closest to=
being convinced in relation to the Mormon ase.
I generally have little interest in media blow ups of these sorts that focu=
s on individual incidents, and tend not to put too much credence in it when=
they "turn out to have been frauds." The media abound with lies and hipste=
rs trying to spin tales of innocence and guilt. Sometimes these issues are =
important, like the Scottsboro case or, on another more contemporary case, =
the Fort Lee case, as a couple of clear examples. But we almost never get a=
definitive solution to them, though the media often claim they dug out the=
truth.
These are the same media who assured us there were WMD in Iraq, and lie on =
so much else, or let themselves be fooled, as when they report what the pol=
ice say as having considerable truth value.
On this one, I will not get too involved, but would not take the reports Hu=
nter points to as definitive. This may be a situation where the administrat=
ive investigation by Teresa Sullivan et al. May be the most believable repo=
rt. Or not.
I am sure Hunter believes he is right in what he says. I respect him in man=
y ways, but I also tend to be skeptical of what some have termed "the spect=
acle."=20
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Hunter Gray'[email protected][SycamoreCanyon] <SycamoreCa=
[email protected]>
To: bearwithoutborders <[email protected]>; marxist <ma=
[email protected]>; newgreencanada <[email protected]>; re=
dbadbear <[email protected]>; sycamorecanyon <sycamorecanyon@yahoo=
groups.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 6, 2014 07:10 AM
Subject: [SycamoreCanyon] =3D?utf-8?Q?=3D22Political correctness=3D22?=3D -=
- or, good taste and good sense
Many who follow =E2=80=9Cthe news=E2=80=9D are aware that, a few weeks ago,=
a story in Rolling Stone magazine charged that a young woman had been subj=
ected to gang rape at a fraternity houseat the University of Virginia.
The story, taken at face value by university authorities and most media, be=
came national and then global in scope. It quickly triggered a vilifying ru=
sh to judgment against the frat and its members, the house was summarily cl=
osed , then all frats were under suspicion -- and there were campus demonst=
rations against them and their members.
But it=E2=80=99s all turned out to be a fake.
CNN and MSNBC, which broadly carried the report, seem unhappy with this rev=
elation =E2=80=93 but do have to say something.But the best report on this =
travesty comes from Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06/rape-story-unravels-rollng-stone-says-=
trust-in-uva-source-misplaced/
This is a case where unbridled =E2=80=9Cpolitical correctness=E2=80=9D ran =
amuck =E2=80=93 and a lot of people have been hurt. The term itself has alw=
ays disturbed me.It sounds like something emerging from a tiny and insular =
political sect, with its roots originally abroad, and which, unable and unw=
illing to engage tangible issues of substance, is turning its zeal against =
its own followers =E2=80=93 sort of like an auto-immune disease where one=
=E2=80=99s bodily immune system turns on itself.
I like to think in terms of good taste and good sense.
In the last 35 years or so, political correctness has pervaded much of the =
culture of this country.On the plus side, it has illuminated the often wide=
parameters of a great many instances of social injustice.
On the negative side, it=E2=80=99s frequently used in cavalier fashion with=
little regard to the actual, factual situation.And, for unscrupulous folks=
, it can be a tool of Machiavellian nature, well suited for careerism and p=
olitical campaigns.
And all of this wild and spurious dust and sandstorm stuff can confuse and =
obscure the many and very real instances of human injustice.
The Duke Lacrosse fraternity frame-up at Durham, N.C. a few years ago stemm=
ed from knee-jerk P.C.Still familiar with the social and political landscap=
e of that state where we lived for a number of years, I almost immediately =
knew that to be a frame-up.Eventually =E2=80=93 eventually =E2=80=93 that w=
as straightened out and the accused frat members were totally vindicated..H=
ere is some of my writing on that one:http://www.hunterbear.org/NORTH%20CAR=
OLINA%20THOUGHTS%20AND%20MEMORIES.htm
Not long after the Duke situation, a full scale witch-hunt against religiou=
s polygamists (fundamentalist Mormons unaffiliated with the mainline LDS ch=
urch), burst forth yet again. (These seem to occur about every half century=
or so.)In this case, there were charges, via a few witnesses of very dubio=
us character, that women and children were being abused en masse.Arizona an=
d Utah moved, though cautiously, against the polygamist communities.But, in=
West Texas, authorities seized several hundred children. Most American med=
ia had a field day playing up the abuse allegations.
I knew this to be a frame-up immediately.Perhaps alone on the myriad of e d=
iscussion lists, I had had contact a number of times, in northern Arizona a=
nd southern Utah, with polygamists and their small communities =E2=80=93 an=
d I knew them to be good people.After a number ofturbulent months, the Texa=
s appellate court ruled that it could find no evidence of child abuse whats=
oever and ordered the return of all of the polygamist kids to their familie=
s.This was upheld by the Texas Supreme Court.The children were returned and=
, although there are flare-ups now and then, the attacks on these peaceful =
people have ended =E2=80=93 for the time being.See this long webpage of min=
e:
http://hunterbear.org/POLYGAMY%20FIRES.htm
In 1991, at the University of North Dakota, a move began to develop toward =
imposing a code banning =E2=80=9CHate Speech=E2=80=9D. Thoughtful faculty a=
nd students recognized the dangers to the First Amendment and academic free=
dom =E2=80=93 and some faculty were aware that such a code could be used fo=
r unscrupulous purposes in the UND setting which, to understate it, was bes=
et with internal problems.I wrote the letter that launched our successful c=
ampaign to kill the Hate Speech ban.
From our Hunterbear website:
=E2=80=9CI wrote the following letter [under my original name of John R Sal=
ter, Jr] and published it in The Dakota Student [University of North Dakota=
] on April 30, 1991. I was not surprised that it angered a number of admini=
strators as well as some faculty. The UND student response -- across all so=
rts of racial/ethnic/cultural lines -- was extremely positive. My letter wa=
s subsequently published in the May / June 1991 issue of the excellent soci=
alist journal, Against the Current, under the title, "Defeat Racism, Don't =
Censor It."
I stand, of course, by every word I said, then and right to the present
moment.
SPEECH BAN WON'T END RACISM -- John R Salter, Jr [Hunter Gray]DAKOTA STUDEN=
T 4/30/91
I'm completely against any efforts to ban racist or sexist speech, or any
other speech, on college and university campuses -- or anywhere else.
I speak as both activist and academic and as one who has been involved in
social justice pursuits and teaching since the mid-1950s.
American Indians have traditionally recognized the right of everyone to be
heard -- no matter how unpopular or even noxious the verbiage. Whatever
its many limitations, my native state of Arizona has never deteriorated --
despite the presence of the copper bosses and the farming magnates, among
others -- into the sort of closed society once exemplified by Mississippi.
In part, at least, this has been because of the libertarian traditions of a
far-ranging frontier where "things open out instead of in" and where free
speech has generally, however grudgingly, been respected or at least
tolerated.
I've never known any effort anywhere to ban speech that really "worked."
I've known few such efforts that, sooner or later, weren't turned against
the advocates of constructive social change. Hell, look at human history.
Frankly, some of the most sanctimonious proponents of suppression of racist
and sexist speech in university settings have been, in my observation,
administrators whose real commitment to, say, affirmative action has been
Zero -- and who frequently have worked against anything of a tangible natur=
e
that would increase the numbers and morale of women and minorities in
meaningful positions. Other, more well meaning official folk, worry about
"negative speech," expressing their concerns in the context and style of a
prattling timidity that brings out the worst in everyone.
Here at the University of North Dakota, in a state and region where Native
Americans are the most substantial minority, our Department of American
Indian Studies offers several sections of a course called Introduction to
Indian Studies -- which fulfills a state teacher certification necessity an=
d
also meets certain humanities and social science requirements. About 350
students per year pass through these courses [I teach 200 or so personally]=
;
the majority are Anglo, with a good number of American Indians and other
minorities represented. In this classroom setting, academic dimensions are
heavily laced with confronting all kinds of people hang-ups and we deal wit=
h
these in a non-guilt-trip, "say what you please" hang-loose sort of
atmosphere.
This works -- and often these students go on to take other courses of ours,
such as Contemporary Indian Issues or Federal Indian Law and Policy or
Plains Indians. Common interests, common concerns, and common allies
surface.
And in many other sectors, in and out of the university setting, we
challenge all kinds of anti-people words and deeds and patterns. We've done
it openly and candidly -- and without tearing people down. Our efforts are
interracial and intercultural.
We've seen things improve enlightenment-wise with the students, considerabl=
y so, and with many townspeople. But we still have a long, long way to go i=
n getting minorities and women hired in solid and influential university po=
sitions. Academics -- including academic liberals -- are certainly often ha=
rder to deal with than an essentially nice Anglo kid who has some
hang-ups.
The kid is usually honest enough to face up and change, given a firm push o=
r
two or three -- done in a friendly fashion.
We just have to keep fighting, all of us together, step by step. But let's
not waste time on dangerous gimmicks like gag laws and regulations. The
real prize lies "over the mountains yonder" and we can catch it -- if we
don't allow ourselves to be de-railed and diverted into the canyons.
[Editor's note: Salter is chairman of the Indian Studies Department.]
Again, I like to think in terms of good taste and good sense.
In Solidarity,
Hunter Bear
HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq / St. Francis Abenaki / =
St. Regis Mohawk
Protected by Na=C2=B4shdo=C2=B4i=C2=B4ba=C2=B4i=C2=B4
and Ohkwari' . Check out our massive social justice website:
http://www.hunterbear.org/
Member, National Writers Union AFL-CIO
Core dimensions of my Community Organizing course:
http://www.labornet.org/news/0000/hbear.htm
My expanded/updated "Organizer's Book,"
JACKSON MISSISSIPPI -- with a new 10,000
word introduction by me. Covers much of my
confrontational social justice organizing life to
date. Contains much how-to grassroots organizing
methodology:http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm
See this for mini-bio, efforts to prevent JM=E2=80=99s appearance in
Mississippi, a wide range of its many reviews, and some
photos:http://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Salter/e/B001KMEHWY/ref=3Dntt_dp_epwbk=
_0
The Stormy Adoption of an Indian Child [My Father]:
http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad.htm
(Photos)
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not my regular =E2=80=9Cwatch=E2=80=9D but there are
occasions when it deals with issues that CNN and MSNBC won=E2=80=99t touch =
or at least
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little more recent than that of Washington Post.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun=
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retraction.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It=E2=80=99s cl=
ear what=E2=80=99s happened
at UVA<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>and no amount of ver=
biage by some
media pundits can alter the fact that innocent guys were hurt.<span style=
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he
justice cause both you and I and many others have always supported.</font><=
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>
</span>There are other such cases as well.</font></span></b></p><font face=
=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">None of this negates, of course, the
fact that there are many cases indeed of bona fide abuse which,<span style=
=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>as you note and I know, include many =
not
known broadly.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But the kind=
of
witch-hunting approaches sometimes found in these situations constitute tra=
vesties
on civil liberty and justice in general -- approaches lacking careful prior
investigation, often characterized by sloppy reporting, sometimes marked by=
a
kind of hysteria, and featuring rushes to judgment with the burden of proof=
on
the accused.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"=
>
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">I am sure that we both agree that no
good cause or purpose is thereby well <span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes;">&n=
bsp;</span>served.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">I will post all of this broadly.</font></span></b></p><font face=
=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">Life hereabouts continues about as
always. Ups and downs, challenges here and there.<span style=3D"mso-spaceru=
n: yes;"> </span>Like you, we keep fighting.</font></span></b></p><fo=
nt face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">Eldri joins me in sending our very
best.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">Solidarity, Hunter or John</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Time=
s New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"><br></font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3=
">
</font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style=3D"line-heigh=
t: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">Respectfully:</font></spa=
n></b><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">This conversation might benefit from
moving away from Fox News and considering, for instance, the Post article:<=
/font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><a href=3D"htt=
p://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-claims-=
of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b90ab=
dc_story.html" target=3D"_blank"><font color=3D"#0563c1" face=3D"Calibri">h=
ttp://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-claim=
s-of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b90=
abdc_story.html</font></a></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" siz=
e=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">Speaking as a certified rape victim
advocate in the state of Illinois, and a twice certified DV advocate in the
state of Colorado, I see the =E2=80=9Ccontradictory=E2=80=9D/=E2=80=9Cconfu=
sing" details as laid
out by the Post as *extremely common* for survivors of acute trauma. I won'=
t
elaborate beyond saying that the only rebuttal being offered is that =E2=80=
=9Cdetails
conflict,=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CWe didn=E2=80=99t do it.=E2=80=9D </fo=
nt></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">Those two rebuttals are the most
common offered, and are the reason why sexual assault cases are rarely (25%=
)
prosecuted, and rarely (10%) bring convictions.</font></span></b></p><font =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">The rarity of prosecution and
conviction is a major reason why most of the US populace marinates in rape
culture, which then perpetuates the problem, etc. etc.</font></span></b></p=
><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">One of five college students are
sexually assaulted during their undergraduate years, and almost none will
report or participate in prosecutions (in IL, the police can bring charges
without the survivor=E2=80=99s participation, but non-s/he-said evidence is=
rarely
available; in fact, juries have been poisoned by such TV shows as CSI: SVU,
which create an impression that DNA evidence is easy to come by=E2=80=94whe=
n,
especially in cases of sexual violence, it is rarely available).</font></sp=
an></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">Dating and domestic violence is out
of control on college campuses in the US (not to mention our overall societ=
y),
and dismissive terms like =E2=80=9CP.C.,=E2=80=9D and unreliable narrators =
like Fox News, are
part of the problem. They offer no solution.</font></span></b></p><font fac=
e=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">ANYWAY, all the (FEMALE) President
did was ban fraternities =E2=80=9Ctill the end of the semester=E2=80=9D=E2=
=80=94=E2=80=94i.e., till tomorrow.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Time=
s New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">No *real* injustice as of yet=E2=80=94</font></span></b></p><font =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">=E2=80=94right? Since stories about =E2=80=9Cfalse=E2=80=9D
rape charges go viral, while the huge number of actual assaults are=E2=80=
=A6snuffed
out? If I may.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"=
3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">No real injustice except for
*whatever* happened to this young woman, who, to date, has consciously, and
consistently, refused to name the two offenders she does know.</font></span=
></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">Cheers,</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: =
normal;"><span style=3D"line-height: 107%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"=
Calibri"> </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">I find it
strange -- very strange -- Sam, that you feel somehow obligated to
repeatedly warn people about my assessments of the cases I gave where =
the
extremes of PC backfired. </font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times Ne=
w Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">In
addition to the current one, University of Virginia, now much in the media =
with
Rolling Stone retracting all and trying to apologize , I gave only two
others in my just sent message: the Duke Lacrosse matter where a=
ll
charges were dropped, the accused students totally cleared, and the prosecu=
ting
District Attorney removed from office and then disbarred -- and the
polygamy case where the highest Texas courts stated they could no evid=
ence
of abuse and ordered the several hundred children returned to their
parents, which was then done. </font></span></b></p><font face=
=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">As I
recall, you said in both instances that you had not followed those cases mu=
ch,
if at all -- although I posted a great deal on them. I=
n
fact, you -- yourself -- are quoted on my Duke/Lacrosse page literally to t=
hat
effect.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">My short
answer to you, or to anyone concerned about the accuracy of my assessments,=
is
simply and politely: read the links I provided in my early morning po=
st
of today.</font></span></b></p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">
</font><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"line-height: 107=
%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">All best,</font></span></b></p>=
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-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Kass Fleisher kass@kassfleisher.=
com [SycamoreCanyon] [mailto:[email protected]]<br><b>Sent:</b=
> Sunday, December 7, 2014 02:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Friends of Hunter Bear'<=
br><b>Cc:</b> [email protected], [email protected], <br>=
[email protected], [email protected]<br><b>Subject:</=
b> Re: [BearwWthoutBorders] [SycamoreCanyon] "Political correctness" -- or,=
good taste and good sense<br><br>
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<p><div>Respectfully:</div><div><br></div><div>This conversation migh=
t benefit from moving away from Fox News and considering, for instance, the=
Post article:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.washingtonpos=
t.com/local/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-claims-of-gang-rape-in-rolli=
ng-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html" target=
=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-=
fraternity-to-rebut-claims-of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d=
2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/loc=
al/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-claims-of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/=
2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html</a></div><div><b=
r></div><div>Speaking as a certified rape victim advocate in the state of I=
llinois, and a twice certified DV advocate in the state of Colorado, I see =
the =E2=80=9Ccontradictory=E2=80=9D/=E2=80=9Cconfusing" details as laid out=
by the Post as *extremely common* for survivors of acute trauma. I won't e=
laborate beyond saying that the only rebuttal being offered is that =E2=80=
=9Cdetails conflict,=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CWe didn=E2=80=99t do it.=E2=80=
=9D </div><div><br></div><div>Those two rebuttals are the most common =
offered, and are the reason why sexual assault cases are rarely (25%) prose=
cuted, and rarely (10%) bring convictions.</div><div><br></div><div>The rar=
ity of prosecution and conviction is a major reason why most of the US popu=
lace marinates in rape culture, which then perpetuates the problem, etc. et=
c.</div><div><br></div><div>One of five college students are sexually assau=
lted during their undergraduate years, and almost none will report or parti=
cipate in prosecutions (in IL, the police can bring charges without the sur=
vivor=E2=80=99s participation, but non-s/he-said evidence is rarely availab=
le; in fact, juries have been poisoned by such TV shows as CSI: SVU, which =
create an impression that DNA evidence is easy to come by=E2=80=94when, esp=
ecially in cases of sexual violence, it is rarely available).</div><div><br=
></div><div>Dating and domestic violence is out of control on college campu=
ses in the US (not to mention our overall society), and dismissive terms li=
ke =E2=80=9CP.C.,=E2=80=9D and unreliable narrators like Fox News, are part=
of the problem. They offer no solution.</div><div><br></div><div>ANYWAY, a=
ll the (FEMALE) President did was ban fraternities =E2=80=9Ctill the end of=
the semester=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94=E2=80=94i.e., till tomorrow.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>No *real* injustice as of yet=E2=80=94</div><div><br></div><div>=
=E2=80=94right? Since stories about =E2=80=9Cfalse=E2=80=9D rape charges go=
viral, while the huge number of actual assaults are=E2=80=A6snuffed out? I=
f I may.</div><div><br></div><div>No real injustice except for *whatever* h=
appened to this young woman, who, to date, has consciously, and consistentl=
y, refused to name the two offenders she does know.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>kass</div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div>On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:46 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">sam4wp@netscape=
.net</a> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span sty=
le=3D"text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-=
family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; white-space: normal;">I am not convinced by what Hu=
nter writes on this topic. He lists a lot of cases where he says his =
skepticism was right, but I have rarely been convinced by him or the press =
that we really know what happened. I come closest to being convinced in rel=
ation to the Mormon ase.</span><div style=3D"text-transform: none; te=
xt-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; white-=
space: normal;"><div><br></div><div>I generally have little interest in med=
ia blow ups of these sorts that focus on individual incidents, and tend not=
to put too much credence in it when they "turn out to have been frauds." &=
nbsp;The media abound with lies and hipsters trying to spin tales of innoce=
nce and guilt. Sometimes these issues are important, like the Scottsb=
oro case or, on another more contemporary case, the Fort Lee case, as a cou=
ple of clear examples. But we almost never get a definitive solution =
to them, though the media often claim they dug out the truth.</div><div><br=
></div><div>These are the same media who assured us there were WMD in Iraq,=
and lie on so much else, or let themselves be fooled, as when they report =
what the police say as having considerable truth value.</div><div><br></div=
><div>On this one, I will not get too involved, but would not take the repo=
rts Hunter points to as definitive. This may be a situation where the=
administrative investigation by Teresa Sullivan et al. May be the most bel=
ievable report. Or not.</div><div><br></div><div>I am sure Hunter bel=
ieves he is right in what he says. I respect him in many ways, but I also t=
end to be skeptical of what some have termed "the spectacle." <br><br>=
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: 'H=
unter Gray'<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:hun=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a><span class=3D"A=
pple-converted-space"> </span>[SycamoreCanyon] <<a href=3D"mailto:S=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:Sycamor=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br>To: bear=
withoutborders <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=
target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
">[email protected]</a>>; marxist <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:marxist@y=
ahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>>; newgreencanada <<a href=
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ilto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>=
; redbadbear <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_b=
lank" mce_href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">redbadbear@yahoogroups=
.com</a>>; sycamorecanyon <<a href=3D"mailto:sycamorecanyon@yahoogrou=
ps.com" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
">[email protected]</a>><br>Sent: Sat, Dec 6, 2014 07:10 AM=
<br>Subject: [SycamoreCanyon] =3D?utf-8?Q?=3D22Political correctness=3D22?=
=3D -- or, good taste and good sense<br><br><br><div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_2_c2b=
c567a-2f98-46fa-a320-ff46e6d55dfe"><div class=3D"aolReplacedBody" style=3D"=
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-mlmsg" style=
=3D"font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><di=
v id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-text" style=3D"font-famil=
y: Georgia;"><div style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em;"><br class=3D"webkit-block-=
placeholder"></div><div><font face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"2"></font></div><div=
><font face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"2"> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" siz=
e=3D"3"></font></font></div><font face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"2"><p style=3D"m=
argin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Cali=
bri">Many who follow =E2=80=9Cthe news=E2=80=9D are aware that, a few weeks=
ago, a story in Rolling Stone magazine charged that a young woman had been=
subjected to gang rape at a fraternity house<span> <span class=3D"App=
le-converted-space"> </span></span>at the University of Virginia.</fon=
t></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></di=
v><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><fo=
nt face=3D"Calibri">The story, taken at face value by university authoritie=
s and most media, became national and then global in scope. It quickly trig=
gered a vilifying rush to judgment against the frat and its members, the ho=
use was summarily closed , then all frats were under suspicion -- and there=
were campus demonstrations against them and their members.<span class=3D"A=
pple-converted-space"> </span></font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D=
"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"=
><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"><span> </s=
pan>But it=E2=80=99s all turned out to be a fake.</font></span></b></p><div=
><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin:=
0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">C=
NN and MSNBC, which broadly carried the report, seem unhappy with this reve=
lation =E2=80=93 but do have to say something.<span> <span class=3D"Ap=
ple-converted-space"> </span></span>But the best report on this traves=
ty comes from Fox:</font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman"=
size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><a style=3D"font-family: Verdana;" href=3D"http://www=
.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06/rape-story-unravels-rollng-stone-says-trust-in-u=
va-source-misplaced/" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.foxnews.com/=
us/2014/12/06/rape-story-unravels-rollng-stone-says-trust-in-uva-source-mis=
placed/"><font color=3D"#0563c1" face=3D"Calibri"></font></a><font color=3D=
"#0563c1" face=3D"Calibri"><a style=3D"font-family: Verdana;" href=3D"http:=
//www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06/rape-story-unravels-rollng-stone-says-trust=
-in-uva-source-misplaced/" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.foxnews=
.com/us/2014/12/06/rape-story-unravels-rollng-stone-says-trust-in-uva-sourc=
e-misplaced/">http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06/rape-story-unravels-roll=
ng-stone-says-trust-in-uva-source-misplaced/</a></font></span></b></p><div>=
<font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">Th=
is is a case where unbridled =E2=80=9Cpolitical correctness=E2=80=9D ran am=
uck =E2=80=93 and a lot of people have been hurt. The term itself has alway=
s disturbed me.<span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </sp=
an></span>It sounds like something emerging from a tiny and insular politic=
al sect, with its roots originally abroad, and which, unable and unwilling =
to engage tangible issues of substance, is turning its zeal against its own=
followers =E2=80=93 sort of like an auto-immune disease where one=E2=80=99=
s bodily immune system turns on itself.</font></span></b></p><div><font fac=
e=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8=
pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">I like to t=
hink in terms of good taste and good sense.</font></span></b></p><div><font=
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0=
in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">In the =
last 35 years or so, political correctness has pervaded much of the culture=
of this country.<span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </=
span></span>On the plus side, it has illuminated the often wide parameters =
of a great many instances of social injustice.<span class=3D"Apple-converte=
d-space"> </span></font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Ro=
man" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"><span> </span>On the ne=
gative side, it=E2=80=99s frequently used in cavalier fashion with little r=
egard to the actual, factual situation.<span> <span class=3D"Apple-con=
verted-space"> </span></span>And, for unscrupulous folks, it can be a =
tool of Machiavellian nature, well suited for careerism and political campa=
igns.</font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><=
/font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">And all of this wild and spurious dust and sa=
ndstorm stuff can confuse and obscure the many and very real instances of h=
uman injustice.</font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" si=
ze=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><font face=3D"Calib=
ri"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">The Duke Lacrosse fraternity frame-=
up at Durham, N.C. a few years ago stemmed from knee-jerk P.C.<span> <=
span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Still familiar wit=
h the social and political landscape of that state where we lived for a num=
ber of years, I almost immediately knew that to be a frame-up.<span> <=
span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Eventually =E2=80=
=93 eventually =E2=80=93 that was straightened out and the accused frat mem=
bers were totally vindicated..<span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-sp=
ace"> </span></span>Here is some of my writing on that one:</span></b>=
<font size=3D"3"></font><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><a style=3D"fon=
t-family: Verdana;" href=3D"http://www.hunterbear.org/NORTH%20CAROLINA%20TH=
OUGHTS%20AND%20MEMORIES.htm" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.hunte=
rbear.org/NORTH%20CAROLINA%20THOUGHTS%20AND%20MEMORIES.htm"><font color=3D"=
#0563c1"></font></a><font color=3D"#0563c1"><a style=3D"font-family: Verdan=
a;" href=3D"http://www.hunterbear.org/NORTH%20CAROLINA%20THOUGHTS%20AND%20M=
EMORIES.htm" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.hunterbear.org/NORTH%=
20CAROLINA%20THOUGHTS%20AND%20MEMORIES.htm">http://www.hunterbear.org/NORTH=
%20CAROLINA%20THOUGHTS%20AND%20MEMORIES.htm</a></font></span></b></font></p=
><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div><font=
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0=
in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">Not lon=
g after the Duke situation, a full scale witch-hunt against religious polyg=
amists (fundamentalist Mormons unaffiliated with the mainline LDS church), =
burst forth yet again. (These seem to occur about every half century or so.=
)<span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>In t=
his case, there were charges, via a few witnesses of very dubious character=
, that women and children were being abused en masse.<span> <span clas=
s=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Arizona and Utah moved, tho=
ugh cautiously, against the polygamist communities.<span> <span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>But, in West Texas, authorit=
ies seized several hundred children. Most American media had a field day pl=
aying up the abuse allegations.</font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Tim=
es New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"><span> </span>=
I knew this to be a frame-up immediately.<span> <span class=3D"Apple-c=
onverted-space"> </span></span>Perhaps alone on the myriad of e discus=
sion lists, I had had contact a number of times, in northern Arizona and so=
uthern Utah, with polygamists and their small communities =E2=80=93 and I k=
new them to be good people.<span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space=
"> </span></span>After a number of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space=
"> </span><span> </span>turbulent months, the Texas appellate cou=
rt ruled that it could find no evidence of child abuse whatsoever and order=
ed the return of all of the polygamist kids to their families.<span> <=
span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>This was upheld by=
the Texas Supreme Court.<span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=
</span></span>The children were returned and, although there are flar=
e-ups now and then, the attacks on these peaceful people have ended =E2=80=
=93 for the time being.<span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&n=
bsp;</span></span>See this long webpage of mine:</font></span></b></p><div>=
<font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><a style=3D"font-family: =
Verdana;" href=3D"http://hunterbear.org/POLYGAMY%20FIRES.htm" target=3D"_bl=
ank" mce_href=3D"http://hunterbear.org/POLYGAMY%20FIRES.htm"><font color=3D=
"#0563c1" face=3D"Calibri"></font></a><font color=3D"#0563c1" face=3D"Calib=
ri"><a style=3D"font-family: Verdana;" href=3D"http://hunterbear.org/POLYGA=
MY%20FIRES.htm" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://hunterbear.org/POLYGAM=
Y%20FIRES.htm">http://hunterbear.org/POLYGAMY%20FIRES.htm</a></font></span>=
</b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p styl=
e=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=
=3D"Calibri">In 1991, at the University of North Dakota, a move began to de=
velop toward imposing a code banning =E2=80=9CHate Speech=E2=80=9D. Thought=
ful faculty and students recognized the dangers to the First Amendment and =
academic freedom =E2=80=93 and some faculty were aware that such a code cou=
ld be used for unscrupulous purposes in the UND setting which, to=
understate it, was beset with internal problems.<span> <sp=
an class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>I wrote the letter t=
hat launched our successful campaign to kill the Hate Speech ban.</font></s=
pan></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font fa=
ce=3D"Calibri">From our Hunterbear website:</font></span></b></p><div><font=
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0=
in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"color: rgb(172, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma, sans=
-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;">=E2=80=9C<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=
</span></span><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"3">I wrote the following=
letter [under my original name of John R Salter, Jr] and publi=
shed it in The Dakota Student [University of North Dakota] on April 30, 199=
1. I was not surprised that it angered a number of administrators as =
well as some faculty. The UND student response -- across all sorts of racia=
l/ethnic/cultural lines -- was extremely positive. My letter was subsequent=
ly published in the May / June 1991 issue of the excellent socialist journa=
l, Against the Current, under the title, "Defeat Racism, Don't Censor It."<=
br><br>I stand, of course, by every word I said, then and right to the pres=
ent<br>moment.</font></b><b><br><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"3"><br><span=
>SPEECH BAN WON'T END RACISM -- John R Salter, Jr [Hunter Gray]=
</span> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><fon=
t face=3D"Calibri"><font size=3D"3"><span>DAKOTA STUDENT 4/30/91<br><=
/span><br></font></font><font face=3D"Calibri"><font size=3D"3"><span>I'm c=
ompletely against any efforts to ban racist or sexist speech, or any<br>oth=
er speech, on college and university campuses -- or anywhere else.<br><br>I=
speak as both activist and academic and as one who has been involved in<br=
>social justice pursuits and teaching since the mid-1950s.<br><br>American =
Indians have traditionally recognized the right of everyone to be<br>heard =
-- no matter how unpopular or even noxious the verbiage. Whatev=
er<br>its many limitations, my native state of Arizona has never deteriorat=
ed --<br>despite the presence of the copper bosses and the farming magnates=
, among<br>others -- into the sort of closed society once exemplified by Mi=
ssissippi.<br>In part, at least, this has been because of the libertarian t=
raditions of a<br>far-ranging frontier where "things open out instead of in=
" and where free<br>speech has generally, however grudgingly, been respecte=
d or at least<br>tolerated.<br></span><br></font></font><font face=3D"Calib=
ri"><font size=3D"3"><span>I've never known any effort anywhere to ban spee=
ch that really "worked."<br>I've known few such efforts that, sooner=
or later, weren't turned against<br>the advocates of constructive social c=
hange. Hell, look at human history.<br><br>Frankly, some of the most =
sanctimonious proponents of suppression of racist<br>and sexist speech in u=
niversity settings have been, in my observation,<br>administrators whose re=
al commitment to, say, affirmative action has been<br>Zero -- and who frequ=
ently have worked against anything of a tangible nature<br>that would incre=
ase the numbers and morale of women and minorities in<br>meaningful positio=
ns. Other, more well meaning official folk, worry about<br>"negative =
speech," expressing their concerns in the context and style of a<br>prattli=
ng timidity that brings out the worst in everyone.<br></span><br></font></f=
ont><font face=3D"Calibri"><font size=3D"3"><span>Here at the University of=
North Dakota, in a state and region where Native<br>Americans are the most=
substantial minority, our Department of American<br>Indian Studies offers =
several sections of a course called Introduction to<br>Indian Studies -- wh=
ich fulfills a state teacher certification necessity and<br>also meets cert=
ain humanities and social science requirements. About 350<br>students=
per year pass through these courses [I teach 200 or so personally];<br>the=
majority are Anglo, with a good number of American Indians and other<br>mi=
norities represented. In this classroom setting, academic dimensions =
are<br>heavily laced with confronting all kinds of people hang-ups and we d=
eal with<br>these in a non-guilt-trip, "say what you please" hang-loose sor=
t of<br>atmosphere.<br><br>This works -- and often these students go on to =
take other courses of ours,<br>such as Contemporary Indian Issues or Federa=
l Indian Law and Policy or<br>Plains Indians. Common interests, commo=
n concerns, and common allies<br>surface.</span><br><br></font></font><span=
><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"3">And in many other sectors, in and out of=
the university setting, we<br>challenge all kinds of anti-people words and=
deeds and patterns. We've done<br>it openly and candidly -- and with=
out tearing people down. Our efforts are<br>interracial and intercult=
ural.<br><br>We've seen things improve enlightenment-wise with the students=
, considerably so, and with many townspeople. But we still have=
a long, long way to go in getting minorities and women hired in solid and =
influential university positions. Academics -- including academic lib=
erals -- are certainly often harder to deal with than an essentially =
nice Anglo kid who has some<br>hang-ups.<br><br>The kid is usually honest e=
nough to face up and change, given a firm push or<br>two or three -- done i=
n a friendly fashion.<br><br>We just have to keep fighting, all of us toget=
her, step by step. But let's<br>not waste time on dangerous gimmicks =
like gag laws and regulations. The<br>real prize lies "over the mount=
ains yonder" and we can catch it -- if we<br>don't allow ourselves to be de=
-railed and diverted into the canyons.<br><br>[Editor's note: Salter =
is chairman of the Indian Studies Department.]</font></span></b></p><div><f=
ont face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0i=
n 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">&nbs=
p;</font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></fo=
nt></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12p=
t;"><font face=3D"Calibri">Again, I like to think in terms of good taste an=
d good sense.</font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri">In Solidarity,</font></span></b></p><=
div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"marg=
in: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri=
">Hunter Bear</font></span></b></p><div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3"></font></div><p style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 8pt;"><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></span></b></p></font><d=
iv><font face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D=
"3"></font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font><font face=3D"T=
imes New Roman" size=3D"3"></font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"=
></font></font>HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq / St. Fra=
ncis Abenaki / St. Regis Mohawk<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> =
</span><br>Protected by Na=C2=B4shdo=C2=B4i=C2=B4ba=C2=B4i=C2=B4<span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>and Ohkwari' . Check out our ma=
ssive social justice website:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </=
span><br><a href=3D"http://www.hunterbear.org/" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=
=3D"http://www.hunterbear.org/">http://www.hunterbear.org/</a> <span c=
lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Member, National Writers Un=
ion AFL-CIO<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Core =
dimensions of my Community Organizing course:<span class=3D"Apple-converted=
-space"> </span><br><a href=3D"http://www.labornet.org/news/0000/hbear=
.htm" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.labornet.org/news/0000/hbear=
.htm">http://www.labornet.org/news/0000/hbear.htm</a><span class=3D"Apple-c=
onverted-space"> </span><br><br>My expanded/updated "Organizer's Book,=
"<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>JACKSON MISSISSIPPI=
-- with a new 10,000<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br=
>word introduction by me. Covers much of my<span class=3D"Apple-converted-s=
pace"> </span><br>confrontational social justice organizing life to<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>date. Contains much how=
-to grassroots organizing<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span=
><br>methodology:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=
=3D"http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http:/=
/hunterbear.org/jackson.htm">http://hunterbear.org/jackson.htm</a></div><di=
v><br><br>See this for mini-bio, efforts to prevent JM=E2=80=99s appearance=
in<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Mississippi, a wi=
de range of its many reviews, and some<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"=
> </span><br>photos:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span=
><a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Salter/e/B001KMEHWY/ref=3Dntt_dp_=
epwbk_0" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Salter=
/e/B001KMEHWY/ref=3Dntt_dp_epwbk_0">http://www.amazon.com/John-R.-Salter/e/=
B001KMEHWY/ref=3Dntt_dp_epwbk_0</a></div><div><br><br>The Stormy Adoption o=
f an Indian Child [My Father]:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> <=
/span><br><a href=3D"http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad=
.htm" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Sal=
ter%20and%20Dad.htm">http://hunterbear.org/James%20and%20Salter%20and%20Dad=
.htm</a></div><div> <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span=
><br>(Photos)<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><=
div style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em;"><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"><=
/div></div><div style=3D"height: 0px; color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div></d=
iv></div></div></div><span style=3D"text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px;=
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