Re: Trump organizing legal version of January 6th
"Michael Kowalski via groups.io" <[email protected]> Sun, 2 Aug 2026 13:46:40 +0000 (UTC)
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------=_Part_3011796_1091754226.1785678400592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John what do you think we should do? Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Sunday, August 2, 2026, 7:29 AM, John Reimann via groups.io <1999wildcat= [email protected]> wrote: When our general conception of what is happening in the world is contradict= ed by the actual facts, then it's time to reconsider our general conception= . This is one of those times. Marv Gandall writes: "Trump may try to contes= t the election, of course, but if anything the odds are less in his favour = than on his previous attempt in 2020." He ignores what happened in 2020. He= wanted to call out the National Guard on two separate=C2=A0occasions, firs= t during the George Floyd protests and then after he lost the election. On = both occasions, top officials in his administration=C2=A0opposed it and mad= e clear that they would not obey. These included top military officials suc= h as Mark Milley and Trump's AG, Bill Barr. Trump learned from that and mad= e sure not to appoint any such types this time. All you have to do is look = at his recent cabinet meeting to see that. Marv then comments on the numerous policies that the capitalist class is un= happy about and says that they won't allow Trump to steal the election beca= use that would set him free to continue those and similar policies. He impl= ies that the capitalist class won't "passively accept a fundamental assault= on their sacred icon, the US Constitution." That's exactly the point! Pass= ively or not, what has stopped Trump's assault so far and what force will s= top him? The Supreme Court? We should never forget the immense significance= of the MAGA majority's ruling that nothing Trump does or did while conduct= ing his duties as president can be considered to be criminal. Think about t= hat ruling. It means he can take a bribe from a foreign power to carry out = a policy contrary to the interests of US capitalism and that is not illegal= . He can order the murder of domestic opponents and that is not illegal. Th= is unprecedented ruling is based on nothing in the law nor the constitution= . The Supreme Court MAGA majority is not under the control of the capitalis= t class. What other institution can stop Trump? The US military brass? They are now = led by a complete MAGA flunkey and the members of the US officer corps is f= amous for its looking towards their own careers first and foremost. It's po= ssible that a layer of the NCO's could revolt, but not without a mass movem= ent from below. I don't see that happening. All of which indicates what I've been writing about for a few=C2=A0years no= w: That what we face is a strong tendency towards Bonapartism. That's the g= eneral conception that Marv (and others) should consider. Under Bonapartism= , the capitalist class loses its control over the Bonapartist. I don't thin= k we are all the way there yet, but if Trump overturns the November electio= n results, that will be a huge step - possibly a decisive one - in that dir= ection. One last point: In general socialists have ignored Trump's attacks on the c= apitalist democratic institutions. These include the attacks on major capit= alist law firms, on major universities and on the capitalist media. Sociali= sts have also tended to ignore Trump's weaponization of the DOJ for his own= personal interests. They have tended to ignore Trump's unprecedented corru= ption - the tens of millions of dollars the capitalist class has been force= d to pay Trump - pure extortion. I think most socialists figure that's all = within their class so why should we care? This method of thought is also in= herent in the insistence that the Republican and Democratic parties are bas= ically the same so we should never do anything to try to keep the Republica= ns - meaning Trump and his minions - out of office if the only alternative = is the Democrats. Behind this super revolutionary view actually lies passiv= ity. Joseph Green is right - it's "complacency to the hilt". It's time to wake up. John Reimann -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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This is one of those times. Marv Ga= ndall writes: "<span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui, Ro= boto, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI Color;">Trump may try to contest the e= lection, of course, but if anything the odds are less in his favour than on= his previous attempt in 2020." He ignores what happened in 2020. He wanted= to call out the National Guard on two separate occasions, first durin= g the George Floyd protests and then after he lost the election. On both oc= casions, top officials in his administration opposed it and made clear= that they would not obey. These included top military officials such as Ma= rk Milley and Trump's AG, Bill Barr. Trump learned from that and made sure = not to appoint any such types this time. All you have to do is look at his = recent cabinet meeting to see that.</span><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,= 51,51);font-family:system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI Color;= "><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:syst= em-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI Color;">Marv then comments on= the numerous policies that the capitalist class is unhappy about and says = that they won't allow Trump to steal the election because that would set hi= m free to continue those and similar policies. He implies that the capitali= st class won't "</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: = system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, "Color UI UI Color";">passi= vely accept a fundamental assault on their sacred icon, the US Constitution= ." That's exactly the point! Passively or not, what has stopped Trump's ass= ault so far and what force will stop him? The Supreme Court? We should neve= r forget the immense significance of the MAGA majority's ruling that nothin= g Trump does or did while conducting his duties as president can be conside= red to be criminal. Think about that ruling. It means he can take a bribe f= rom a foreign power to carry out a policy contrary to the interests of US c= apitalism and that is not illegal. He can order the murder of domestic oppo= nents and that is not illegal. This unprecedented ruling is based on nothin= g in the law nor the constitution. The Supreme Court MAGA majority is not u= nder the control of the capitalist class.</span></div><div><span style=3D"c= olor:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, Color = UI UI Color;background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div><span styl= e=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-se= rif, "Color UI UI Color";">What other institution can stop Trump?= The US military brass? They are now led by a complete MAGA flunkey and the= members of the US officer corps is famous for its looking towards their ow= n careers first and foremost. It's possible that a layer of the NCO's could= revolt, but not without a mass movement from below. I don't see that happe= ning.</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:syste= m-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI Color;background-color:transpa= rent;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-fa= mily: system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, "Color UI UI Color";"= >All of which indicates what I've been writing about for a few years n= ow: That what we face is a strong tendency towards Bonapartism. That's the = general conception that Marv (and others) should consider. Under Bonapartis= m, the capitalist class loses its control over the Bonapartist. I don't thi= nk we are all the way there yet, but if Trump overturns the November electi= on results, that will be a huge step - possibly a decisive one - in that di= rection.</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:sy= stem-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI Color;background-color:tran= sparent;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font= -family: system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, "Color UI UI Color"= ;;">One last point: In general socialists have ignored Trump's attacks on t= he capitalist democratic institutions. These include the attacks on major c= apitalist law firms, on major universities and on the capitalist media. Soc= ialists have also tended to ignore Trump's weaponization of the DOJ for his= own personal interests. They have tended to ignore Trump's unprecedented c= orruption - the tens of millions of dollars the capitalist class has been f= orced to pay Trump - pure extortion. I think most socialists figure that's = all within their class so why should we care? This method of thought is als= o inherent in the insistence that the Republican and Democratic parties are= basically the same so we should never do anything to try to keep the Repub= licans - meaning Trump and his minions - out of office if the only alternat= ive is the Democrats. Behind this super revolutionary view actually lies pa= ssivity. Joseph Green is right - it's "complacency to the hilt".<br><br>It'= s time to wake up.</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font= -family:system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, Color UI UI Color;background-= color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51,= 51); font-family: system-ui, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif, "Color UI UI = Color";">John Reimann</span></div></div> </div><blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> </body></html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> =20 You receive all messages sent to this group. =20 =20 <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/42730">Vi= ew/Reply Online (#42730)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe:%20Re= %3A%20%5Bmarxmail%5D%20Trump%20organizing%20legal%20version%20of%20January%= 206th">Reply to Group</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3D= Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bmarxmail%5D%20Trump%20organizing%20legal%20vers= ion%20of%20January%206th">Reply to Sender</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/120549500/6024700">Mute= This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/post">New Topic</a> <br> <hr style=3D"width:25%;margin-right:100%">POSTING RULES & NOTES<br /> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.<br /> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived.<br /> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern.<br /> #4 Do not exceed five posts a day.<hr style=3D"width:25%;margin-right:100%"= > <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/editsub/6024700">Your Subscription<= /a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/10173629/6024700/1441833971/x= yzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> ------=_Part_3011796_1091754226.1785678400592--