Re: [change-links] "Matewan"
"Peter Rachleff via groups.io" <[email protected]> Sun, 2 Aug 2026 14:45:45 -0500
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Comrades:
I am struck by Brother Imani's comment that the Matewan story -- and
others -- was unknown to him. I want to offer him, and all of you, this
little video: https://vimeo.com/1047554786 It is hardly on the
artistic scale of "Matewan," but, I would like to think, it is rich in its
historical content. I thank my comrade Ben Mchie of the African American
Registry (check them out) for his work as director and videographer. I
also encourage you to explore the East Side Freedom Library in St. Paul,
Minnesota, as a space where labor history is kept alive.
Love and Solidarity,
Peter
On Sun, Aug 2, 2026 at 1:17=E2=80=AFPM John A Imani via groups.io <johnaima=
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[email protected]> wrote:
> Good comrade,
>
> It's sad to say but I had never heard of these incidents.
>
> As a piece of filmmaking, IMO, it is first rate.
>
> But even more than that, the history detailed itself gives the possibilit=
y
> of cross-racial, cross-national and, even, cross-political cooperation, e=
sp
> as regards local cop Hatfield's defense of the miners against the
> intrusions of big business. Food for thought.
>
> No. I am not advocating cooperation with the police. I am simply
> bringing up the point that policing forces, esp the state's national
> guards, contain within themselves contradictions that the greater the
> oppression the more likely it is that cracks will develop within the 'blu=
e
> lines'. That oppression will certainly get more so than less until we, a=
s
> a people, rise up and tell the system to go fck itself and seize control =
of
> the state machinery with the express purpose of diminishing, withering,
> abolishing its purpose and its existence.
>
> "Matewan" continues on TCM On Demand until August 8.
>
> JAI
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:00=E2=80=AFPM henry duke <[email protected]=
om>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh my gosh, yes, John, this movie is so excellent and uplifting !
>> Best,
>> henry
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>> *From:* [email protected] <
>> [email protected]> on behalf of John A Imani <
>> [email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2026 12:42 PM
>> *To:* dopex-losangeles <[email protected]>; change-links
>> <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* [change-links] "Matewan"
>>
>> Comrades,
>>
>> Saw a really interesting (and good) movie on TCM On Demand (available
>> until August 6) . "Matewan" (1987)
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3Dmatewan+massac=
re>.
>> Appalachian coal miners in the 1920s. Bout how black and Italian "dagos=
"
>> joined with 'dirt-poor' W Virginian white folks to fight for a union.
>>
>> "Matewan" was written and directed by John Sayles
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3DJohn+Sayles> (=
who
>> also was the main producer). Interesting role as 'Few Clothes' is James
>> Earl Jones.
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3DJames+Earl+Jon=
es.>
>>
>> The movie's like "Harlan County, USA"
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3D%22Harlan+Coun=
ty%2C+USA%22>
>> that took place and was made in the 1970s. But while "Harlan" was more
>> documentary-like, this one is dramatic but still showing sht as it was.
>> What was really interesting to me was how the local law enforcement (es=
p
>> in the person on one Sid Hatfield
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Hatfield>) sided with the miners
>> against the thugs of the Baldwin=E2=80=93Felts guards
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin%E2%80%93Felts_Detective_Agency>,
>> hired by the mine owners, The Stone Mountain Coal Company. Hatfield (ye=
s,
>> a descendant of the legendary Hatfield/McCoy feud)
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3D+Hatfield%2FMc=
Coy+feud%29>
>> was murdered by the Baldwin-Felts gang in 1921.
>> Battle of Matewan
>> Wikipedia
>> https://en.wikipedia.org =E2=80=BA wiki =E2=80=BA Battle_of_Matewan
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan>
>>
>> Although the movie is a dramatization it is filled with personages and
>> issues based on history.
>>
>> This is the AI conspectus:
>>
>> The Battle of Matewan (also known as the *Matewan Massacre*) was a
>> shootout in the town of Matewan in Mingo County and the Pocahontas
>> Coalfield mining ...
>>
>> AI Overview
>>
>> People also ask:
>>
>> Is Matewan a true story?
>>
>> Yes, Matewan <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093509/> is based on a real
>> event, specifically the historic Matewan Massacre (or Battle of Matewan)
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan> that happened on May
>> 19, 1920, in West Virginia. The 1987 film uses real historical figures l=
ike
>> police chief Sid Hatfield and Mayor Cabell Testerman, but it also adds s=
ome
>> fictional characters and subplots to tell the story.
>> Real Historical Facts
>>
>> - *The Shootout:* A deadly gunfight erupted on May 19, 1920, between
>> local town defenders and private agents from the Baldwin-Felts Detect=
ive
>> Agency.
>> - *The Cause:* The detectives were evicting striking coal mining
>> families from company-owned houses.
>> - *The Casualties:* Ten men died in the short fight, including *seven
>> detective agents (JAI: E.A.)*, two miners, and Mayor Cabell Testerman
>> .
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>> - *Real People:* Figures like Police Chief Sid Hatfield and Mayor
>> Testerman were real-life leaders who opposed the detective agency.
>>
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>> JAI
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Com=
rades:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 I am struck by Brother Imani's comment that the Matewan story --=
and others -- was unknown to him.=C2=A0 I want to offer him, and all of yo=
u, this little video:=C2=A0
<a href=3D"https://vimeo.com/1047554786" target=3D"_blank">https://vimeo.co=
m/1047554786</a>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is hardly on the artistic scale of &=
quot;Matewan," but, I would like to think, it is rich in its historica=
l content.=C2=A0 I thank my comrade Ben Mchie of the African American Regis=
try (check them out) for his work as director and videographer.=C2=A0 I als=
o encourage you to explore the East Side Freedom Library in St. Paul, Minne=
sota, as a space where labor history is kept alive.</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Love and Solidarity,</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Peter</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sun, Aug 2, 2026 at 1:17=E2=80=AFPM John A Imani via <a href=3D"http:=
//groups.io">groups.io</a> <johnaimani3=3D<a href=3D"mailto:gmail.com@gr=
oups.io">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:small">Good comrade,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">It's sad=
to say but I had never heard of these incidents.</div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:small">As a piece of filmmaking, IMO, it is first rate.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:taho=
ma,sans-serif;font-size:small">But even more than that, the history detaile=
d itself gives the possibility of cross-racial, cross-national and, even, c=
ross-political cooperation, esp as regards local cop Hatfield's defense=
of the miners against the intrusions of big business.=C2=A0 Food for thoug=
ht.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:taho=
ma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">No.=C2=A0 I am not advoc=
ating cooperation with the police.=C2=A0 I am simply bringing up the point =
that policing forces, esp the state's national guards, contain within t=
hemselves contradictions that the greater the oppression the more likely it=
is that cracks will develop within=C2=A0the 'blue lines'.=C2=A0 Th=
at oppression will certainly get more so than less until we, as a people, r=
ise up and tell the system to go fck itself and seize control of the state =
machinery with the express purpose of diminishing, withering, abolishing it=
s purpose and its existence.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">"Matew=
an" continues on TCM On Demand until August 8.</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-=
size:small">JAI</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 1, 2026 at 11:00=E2=80=AFPM henry duke <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">henryduke2004=
@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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Oh my gosh, yes, John, this movie is so excellent and uplifting !</div>
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Comrades,</div>
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all">Saw a really interesting (and good) movie on=C2=A0</span>TCM<span styl=
e=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"> On Demand (available
until August 6)=C2=A0</span>.=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.google.com/sear=
ch?client=3Dfirefox-b-1-d&q=3Dmatewan+massacre" target=3D"_blank">
"Matewan" (1987)</a>.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Appalachian coal miners in the =
1920s.=C2=A0 Bout how black and Italian
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"</span>dagos<span style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:sm=
all">"</span> joined with 'dirt-poor' W Virginian white folks =
to fight for a union.</div>
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John Sayles</a> (who also was the main producer).=C2=A0 Interesting role as=
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<div dir=3D"auto">The movie's like <a href=3D"https://www.google.com/se=
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s.=C2=A0 But while "Harlan" was more documentary-like, this one i=
s dramatic but still showing sht as it was.=C2=A0 =C2=A0What was really int=
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on one=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Hatfield" t=
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ency" target=3D"_blank">Baldwin=E2=80=93Felts guards</a>, hired by the mine=
owners, The Stone Mountain Coal Company.=C2=A0 Hatfield (yes, a descendant=
of the legendary<a href=3D"https://www.google.com/search?client=3Dfirefox-=
b-1-d&q=3D+Hatfield%2FMcCoy+feud%29" target=3D"_blank">
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r Battle of Matewan)</a> that happened on May 19, 1920, in West Virginia. T=
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<li><span><b>The Cause:</b> The detectives were evicting striking coal mini=
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