Re: Hnadwriting is on the wall for long-haul trucking
"Mark Baugher" <[email protected]> Mon, 3 Aug 2026 08:29:05 -0700
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--Apple-Mail=_EB3550BE-584E-49FB-A4AD-AB26E7EBDCA4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Aug 3, 2026, at 08:05, David Walters via groups.io <david.walters66=3D= [email protected]> wrote: >=20 > That is a bit of an exaggeration, Stuart. We have now a rollout of the fa= r more complex driver-less taxis, still only approx. 4,000 of them, in citi= es around the U.S. San Francisco, near where I live, has it seems hundreds = of them rolling around the City. They are by my anecdotal experience 20% more expensive than ride share in S= an Francisco. I've ridden both. I like autonomous vehicles better, and I fi= nd LLMs useful for research and writing. But forest smoke is today moving i= nto my neighborhood and capitalism is burning up the earth with these techn= ologies. Data centers are taking over farm land, driving our electric rates= up beyond what 20-40% of the Oregon population can pay, and replacing far = more jobs than they are providing. Autonomous vehicles are a scourge on the working class, and we should take = aim at making them pay the social and environmental costs. When they do tha= t, I doubt they will come within 20% of the cost of a rideshare or many oth= er occupations. AI LLMs will only gain commercial adoption if they add value. So far, they = are too expensive in capital outlays relative to the jobs they seek to disp= lace, https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/29/-tokens-or-humans-the-new-corporate-t= rade-off.html - and this is without adding in the social and environmental = costs. Mark -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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We have now a rollout of= the </span><em style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Couri= erNewPSMT; font-size: 14px; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; le= tter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0p= x; text-decoration: none;">far more complex </em><span style=3D"caret-= color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: CourierNewPSMT; font-size: 14px; font-sty= le: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: no= rmal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-spac= e: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decorati= on: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">driver-less taxis, stil= l only approx. 4,000 of them, in cities around the U.S. San Francisco, near= where I live, has it seems<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </sp= an></span><em style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: CourierNewPS= MT; font-size: 14px; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-sp= acing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; w= hite-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text= -decoration: none;">hundreds</em><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: CourierNewPSMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-vari= ant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: sta= rt; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spaci= ng: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none= ; display: inline !important;"><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>of them rolling around the City.</span></div></blockquote></div><br>= <div>They are by my anecdotal experience 20% more expensive than ride share= in San Francisco. I've ridden both. I like autonomous vehicles better, and= I find LLMs useful for research and writing. But forest smoke is today mov= ing into my neighborhood and capitalism is burning up the earth with these = technologies. Data centers are taking over farm land, driving our electric = rates up beyond what 20-40% of the Oregon population can pay, and replacing= far more jobs than they are providing.</div><div><br></div><div>Autonomous= vehicles are a scourge on the working class, and we should take aim at mak= ing them pay the social and environmental costs. When they do that, I doubt= they will come within 20% of the cost of a rideshare or many other occupat= ions.</div><div><br></div><div>AI LLMs will only gain commercial adoption i= f they add value. So far, they are too expensive in capital outlays relativ= e to the jobs they seek to displace, https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/29/-= tokens-or-humans-the-new-corporate-trade-off.html - and this is without add= ing in the social and environmental costs.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</d= iv><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> =20 You receive all messages sent to this group. =20 =20 <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/42755">Vi= ew/Reply Online (#42755)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe:%20Re= %3A%20%5Bmarxmail%5D%20Hnadwriting%20is%20on%20the%20wall%20for%20long-haul= %20trucking">Reply to Group</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DPriva= te:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bmarxmail%5D%20Hnadwriting%20is%20on%20the%20wall%20f= or%20long-haul%20trucking">Reply to Sender</a> =20 | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/120572801/6024700">Mute= This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/post">New Topic</a> <br> <hr style=3D"width:25%;margin-right:100%">POSTING RULES & NOTES<br /> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.<br /> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived.<br /> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern.<br /> #4 Do not exceed five posts a day.<hr style=3D"width:25%;margin-right:100%"= > <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/editsub/6024700">Your Subscription<= /a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/10173629/6024700/1441833971/x= yzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --Apple-Mail=_EB3550BE-584E-49FB-A4AD-AB26E7EBDCA4--