Re: [ox-en] Scarcity and limitations (was: Re: The nature of apple trees)

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2009/5/6 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>

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> I find it hard to read the email version of your table, if it is available
> elsewhere?
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infoevo table is on the link, I put now in

http://frente28octubre.ning.com/profiles/blogs/evolucion-de-la-informacion-en

because original site is not working


the new table on mail, was redacted and thinked  writing the mail, so its
new, I don't have other version, but I think could be usefull to do, so I
will do  probably specifiing the type of scarcity removed for each
invention, and the subsecuent growth

progession table or progresive table I dont know

in spanish

tabla del progreso -evolucion-  (economico) humano (ecoevo)

"progreso" is a very interesting -and not neutral- word


so two tables:

old  ,                    , in the link  : infoevo
new, not writen yet, in the mail : infoeco


ok 3 tables, I love tables





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> but I'll check the link, perhaps it's there,
>
> Michel
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Diego Saravia <[email protected]
> >wrote:
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> > > I would like you to consider the case of fair trade for example, when
> it
> > > works as it is supposed to work. The organizing entity tries to
> eliminate
> > > rent-extraction by middlemen, allowing it to pay a more dignified price
> > to
> > > the producer, and asks for a little extra from conscious consumers.
> > >
> > > This is a form of exchange which does not seek to maximalize 'the most
> > > return'; similarly, let's take a look at what is commonly called social
> > > entrepreneurship. The aim is to achieve a social goal, and the
> corporate
> > > form is used to achieve that goal. It is not necessary to strive for
> > > maximum
> > > return since the goal is social, and profit just a means.
> > >
> > > So, we have exchange, but it works differently from classic capitalism.
> > So
> > > let's keep exchange separated from markets, and markets from
> capitalism.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I agree
> >
> > we can identify several human advancements and economic inventions over
> > time,
> > each one based in the previous one, but not imposed by it. We dont need
> the
> > new one to have the step before.
> >
> > - work - production - creation      |     human being (or another working
> > creature)
> > --   exchange                            |     surpluss (human societies
> > after hunters and gatherers)
> > ---        markets                        |     points of exchange of
> > several producers and consumers
> > ----             money                    |     common agreed exchange
> good
> >
> > -----                 interest              |     capital: recognition of
> > growth potencial of capital
> > ------                    capitalism      |     invention of rent of
> > capital
> > as other way of distribution of
> >                                                     earnings, end of
> direct
> > coercion in work exchange, all exploitation
> >                                                     troughout capital
> rent
> > ---------                     free informational goods
> >                                               |     end of copyright ,
> > economic potencial of information not as an economic good,
> >                                                     digital networks and
> > free info flows, p2p info creation,
> >                                                     subsidized creation -
> > rent of knowledge as attentional power and lidership,
> >                                                     explosive growth of
> > knowledge societies
> > -------------                 enviromental colapse of humankind, end of
> > civilization
> >                                               | no comment
> >
> >
> > each step acelerated economic growth and eliminate a lot scarcity, and
> > stablish a growth in energy consumption and info flows
> >
> >
> >
> http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:jcTbSI6yvlcJ:salta.org.ar/wiki/bin/view/SoftwareLibre/InfoEvo+infoevo&hl=es&strip=1
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> >
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