Re: [ox-en] Scarcity and limitations (was: Re: The nature of apple trees)
Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Diego Saravia <[email protected]>wrote: > [Converted from multipart/alternative] > > [1 text/plain] > 2009/5/6 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > > > [Converted from multipart/alternative] > > > > [1 text/plain] > > I find it hard to read the email version of your table, if it is > available > > elsewhere? > > > > > > infoevo table is on the link, I put now in > > > http://frente28octubre.ning.com/profiles/blogs/evolucion-de-la-informacion-en > > because original site is not working > > > the new table on mail, was redacted and thinked writing the mail, so its > new, I don't have other version, but I think could be usefull to do, so I > will do probably specifiing the type of scarcity removed for each > invention, and the subsecuent growth > > progession table or progresive table I dont know > > in spanish > > tabla del progreso -evolucion- (economico) humano (ecoevo) > > "progreso" is a very interesting -and not neutral- word > > > so two tables: > > old , , in the link : infoevo > new, not writen yet, in the mail : infoeco > > > ok 3 tables, I love tables > > > > > > > > > but I'll check the link, perhaps it's there, > > > > Michel > > > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Diego Saravia <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > [Converted from multipart/alternative] > > > > > > [1 text/plain] > > > > > > > > I would like you to consider the case of fair trade for example, when > > it > > > > works as it is supposed to work. The organizing entity tries to > > eliminate > > > > rent-extraction by middlemen, allowing it to pay a more dignified > price > > > to > > > > the producer, and asks for a little extra from conscious consumers. > > > > > > > > This is a form of exchange which does not seek to maximalize 'the > most > > > > return'; similarly, let's take a look at what is commonly called > social > > > > entrepreneurship. The aim is to achieve a social goal, and the > > corporate > > > > form is used to achieve that goal. It is not necessary to strive for > > > > maximum > > > > return since the goal is social, and profit just a means. > > > > > > > > So, we have exchange, but it works differently from classic > capitalism. > > > So > > > > let's keep exchange separated from markets, and markets from > > capitalism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree > > > > > > we can identify several human advancements and economic inventions over > > > time, > > > each one based in the previous one, but not imposed by it. We dont need > > the > > > new one to have the step before. > > > > > > - work - production - creation | human being (or another > working > > > creature) > > > -- exchange | surpluss (human > societies > > > after hunters and gatherers) > > > --- markets | points of exchange of > > > several producers and consumers > > > ---- money | common agreed exchange > > good > > > > > > ----- interest | capital: recognition > of > > > growth potencial of capital > > > ------ capitalism | invention of rent of > > > capital > > > as other way of distribution of > > > earnings, end of > > direct > > > coercion in work exchange, all exploitation > > > troughout capital > > rent > > > --------- free informational goods > > > | end of copyright , > > > economic potencial of information not as an economic good, > > > digital networks > and > > > free info flows, p2p info creation, > > > subsidized creation > - > > > rent of knowledge as attentional power and lidership, > > > explosive growth of > > > knowledge societies > > > ------------- enviromental colapse of humankind, end of > > > civilization > > > | no comment > > > > > > > > > each step acelerated economic growth and eliminate a lot scarcity, and > > > stablish a growth in energy consumption and info flows > > > > > > > > > > > > http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:jcTbSI6yvlcJ:salta.org.ar/wiki/bin/view/SoftwareLibre/InfoEvo+infoevo&hl=es&strip=1 > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Diego Saravia > > > [email protected] > > > NO FUNCIONA->dsa-AySywPH+/[email protected] > > > > > > > > > [2 text/html] > > > _________________________________ > > > Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ > > > Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ > > > Contact: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Working at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - > > http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - > > http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI > > > > Volunteering at the P2P Foundation: > > http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net - > > http://p2pfoundation.ning.com > > > > Monitor updates at http://del.icio.us/mbauwens > > > > The work of the P2P Foundation is supported by SHIFTN, > > http://www.shiftn.com/ > > > > > > [2 text/html] > > _________________________________ > > Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ > > Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ > > Contact: [email protected] > > > > > > -- > Diego Saravia > [email protected] > NO FUNCIONA->dsa-AySywPH+/[email protected] > > > [2 text/html] > _________________________________ > Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ > Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ > Contact: [email protected] > -- Working at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI Volunteering at the P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net - http://p2pfoundation.ning.com Monitor updates at http://del.icio.us/mbauwens The work of the P2P Foundation is supported by SHIFTN, http://www.shiftn.com/ [2 text/html] _________________________________ Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ Contact: [email protected]